chrome : chromium :: vscode : vscodium
That's a good pun. Clearly the authors have mastered the second hardest problem in computer science.
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What makes that better is that VS Code is running on Electron, meaning it is running Chromium under the hood. Or at least part of it. Been a while since I read up on it so I can’t remember for certain.
Yes, you have it right.
Codium is actually a species of seaweed. They use it on their logo which is really cool!
Ah, that explains their logo. Always just looked at it and thought it was a bit weird.
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It's a bad comparison. Non-Google Chrome browsers (like Chromium) can still connect to Google's extension store to download browser extensions (like uBlock Origin). Only VS Code can connect to the VS Code Marketplace. Codium cannot. It's bullshit.
I am using VsCodium and I can install extensions. It's my default code editor and it has nothing less than my coworkers' MS Visual Studio Code.
Edit: just understood VsCodium uses a non-official marketplace for extensions, but for my needs I've always found everything
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Its not a bad comparison. Sure, some details might differ, but the underlying concept of a build that only uses the open source code is the same.
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Damn, that seems to be flagrantly anti-competitive. Has Microsoft attempted to justify why they do that?
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Alternatively you can deactivate all tracking in VSCode and therefore make it exactly the same as VSCodium afaik. Only takes a few seconds.
VSCodium uses another marketplace. A lot of addons are either on an older version or not even available. Tried it once but moved back to VSCode after a few minutes. I prefer my addons.
Well not exactly the same. I’m not sure anymore but I think it misses the possibility to sync settings via Microsoft account and possibly via GitHub account as well since it belongs to MS but I’m not sure.
As far as I know the telemetry code isn't open-source and so is not vscode. The version installed from https://code.visualstudio.com/ is actually under a non-FOSS license and might have spooky microsoft stuff but vscodium is built directly from the source of vscode without any of that.
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Sure. But functionally wise it’s the exact same software after you toggle said setting. I like FOSS but in this case it has zero benefit.
FYI: You can make it use the MS extension marketplace: https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/DOCS.md#how-to-use-a-different-extension-gallery
I find most FOSS addons to be avaliable on OpenVSX. Unfortunately, most proprietary microsoft addon only have limited functionality.
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Alternatively you can use and support a true community-driven editing environment dedicated to preserving your freedom, like vim/neovim or emacs.
But that's something new to learn and configure. I just want to code why should I spend my time learning another text editor when vscodium is fine
Careful. You're in a linux-heavy audience. They're the kinda people who would spend a few weeks setting up systems to use it for a few minutes.
That's simply outrageous!!! As soon as I finish tinkering with my system, I'll prepare a proper reply...
On a more serious note though. Don't overlook the role of procrastination in the endless tinkering many put on their boxes. I'm speaking from experience.
Who uses a system for only few minutes?
Well, it's because after using the system for only a few minutes, I realise it's not quite right, and I'll have to spend a few weeks to set it up again!
I'm a full-time Vim and Linux user when writing code. I agree with the statement that "simply switching" editors is very naive. I'm my personal opinion, you should decide on an editor that makes sense to you and learn to be very good at it. If VS Code is that answer, then great. Not everything points to Vim or Emacs.
Who doesn't want to go through learning of text editor and pain of configuring instead of actually coding?
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That's fine too. Use whatever does the job for you, but give alternatives a try if you ever have the time.
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I would love to use emacs, unfortunately coding in TypeScript is much more pleasant to me than coding in elisp or lua.
Not to say Typescript is a good experience either, I always feel like fighting the language than actually coding. Just saying they are better than elisp or lua.
Also I find vscode has better mouse interaction, but maybe emacs got better with time.
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You can also use Debian 1.1 but the makes zero fun as well.
Why make your own life hard for no reason. VIM is really really outdated when it comes to ease of use.
There is not a single thing where vim is better in any way. The argument that it is faster is the biggest lie ever.
Example: I write a few hundred lines of python code and execute it but sadly made formal mistakes. VIM does not help a bit. It might take hours of bugfixing with help of a command line.
Python addon and some others would have instantly found those mistakes saving myself a lot of headache.
That’s the same comparison as the senior developer and the normal dev. The dev might type twice as fast but making 5 times the mistakes he still needs a lot more time than the slow index finger typing senior.
The argument that it is faster is the biggest lie ever
Vscode is written in JavaScript and running in a web browser. Vim is written in C and runs at a console. Of course Vim is faster. Vscode is a hobbled cripple by comparison.
The rest of your comment suggests you are ignorant of vim with plugins and command line tools. I've tried vscode and while it looks nice, I am far faster when developing with vim and a couple of open terminals.
IDEs like VSCose are only powerful because they integrate coding tools like LSPs and completion enginea. Those tools are also available on neo/vim or Emacs, so you can be as proficient as you were with VSCode. Hell, even GitHub's Copilot is available on vim!
And frankly, having started coding on Atom before switching to neovim, I find a keyboard centric, mode-based coding much more efficient than a usual mouse-centric workflow.
It really boils down to personal preference, but I'm eager to find some objective arguments proving that "vim is outdated when it comes to ease of use", because that's not what I experienced.
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lapce is a vscode replacement that has all the sugar that people love and it's blazingly fast. It's still in alpha but I'm very hopeful for it's future.
I have looked at lapce and I am hopeful it will mature enough to replace vscode. I haven't had the time to see if it works enough to replace vscode for my daily work, but I am planning on trying it again soon.
Fleet seems promising but not sure how I feel about another JetBrains editor.
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Emacs isn't super great for C#. The language server is a bit hit and miss.
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Am I correct that you also don't get access to the extensions marketplace, though?
You can add the normal vscode extension repos https://github.com/OliverKeefe/vscode-extensions-in-vscodium
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hit or miss but many of the popular ones work
I tried it a few months back, and unfortunately the free marketplace didn't have a number of extensions that make or break VS Code for me.
I settled on relying on my pihole to block as much M$ telemetry as I could.
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Note that Codium is a no go if you want to debug .NET projects, really annoying limitation MS put in place...
It's shit like this that keeps me from building any kind of trust in MS-owned open source projects.
Anyone thinking that Microsoft's recently found appreciation for open source isn't a Trojan Horse is a fool.
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Sadly with much less extensions, i use it just to compile and flash my marlin 3D printer and every extension needed has to be set up manually, for some reason even then i can't get it to work.
You can change your product.json to gain access to the Microsoft extension repositories. I still don't do it because fuck ms, for the few extensions that I do need I download them as .vsix on the web frontend.
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