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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 85 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (20 children)

I still continue to fail to understand the logic these people are trying to use.

I completely understand the dissatisfaction with the Biden administration and his support for an ally who is currently committing genocide on the daily. And if there were a candidate who wasn't a completely batshit wannabe dictator, I'd at least understand why they'd vote for anyone else over Biden, if not agree with it.

But this is not the case. What these people fail to understand because they're literally blinded with rage is that the only other option is exponentially worse. Trump isn't going to stop Israel from bombing Gaza into oblivion. He's said as much. He basically wants to glass the entire area. Do these people not realize that what Trump wants to do is exponentially worse?

Voting for Trump because you don't like Biden's policies on Israel and Gaza isn't shooting yourself in the foot. It's shooting yourself in the foot, then reloading the shotgun when you realize you missed a few toes, then wondering why the hell your foot hurts and you're bleeding all over the place.

I understand the rationale of "I cannot in good conscience vote for a man who has supported and partially funded a brutal genocide." But at the same time, you're advocating for a man who's literally campaigning on "I'll genocide harder!". Why?

If you think Trump is, in any situation, a viable option for anything, please seek professional help immediately. There is never a situation where Donald Trump's decisions or actions are ever going to make your life better. Full stop.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are a few factors:

  1. Not everyone in the Arab world looks favorably upon Palestine. They don't care that Trump plans to escalate the genocide.

  2. A lot of them are socially/fiscally conservative. Just because the Republicans lean overwhelmingly Christian doesn't mean that their values differ entirely from Islam. Anyone who hates abortion, gay/trans people, and wants to keep drugs criminalized will be more inclined to vote Republican despite the widespread islamophobia.

  3. The anti-Biden campaign, which is taking advantage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, has been successful at convincing voters, even if they are unwittingly voting against their own self-interest. The Republicans are good at that, such as how effectively they sway members of the working class towards supporting rich oligarchs and racial minorities to vote for racist candidates.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Not everyone in the Arab world looks favorably upon Palestine. They don’t care that Trump plans to escalate the genocide.

So if they either don't care about Palestine or want to escalate the genocide, then why the hell do they care about Biden's handling of the situation in the first place?

At best, they should be indifferent, no?

A lot of them are socially/fiscally conservative. Just because the Republicans lean overwhelmingly Christian doesn’t mean that their values differ entirely from Islam. Anyone who hates abortion, gay/trans people, and wants to keep drugs criminalized will be more inclined to vote Republican despite the widespread islamophobia.

This is a classic example of voting against their own interests.

The anti-Biden campaign, which is taking advantage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, has been successful at convincing voters, even if they are unwittingly voting against their own self-interest. The Republicans are good at that, such as how effectively they sway members of the working class towards supporting rich oligarchs and racial minorities to vote for racist candidates.

This is very true. If you can say one thing about the GOP, they're specialists at getting the message out and convincing people to vote against their own interests.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

You're failing to understand because people are near-braindead levels of stupid. Democracy only works when the populous is generally well educated. We've been shooting ourselves in the foot in regards to education for a long time in this country that most people come out with the intelligence of a 5th grader, then say stupid things like "Trump is better than Biden".

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're playing politics. They're responding to something they view as betrayal.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And what do they think is going to happen with Trump? A man who has already gone on record saying he'd do that and more?

Like I've repeatedly said, I understand and even support their point of view regarding Biden. But their only alternative is exponentially worse, and voting for Trump because you're pissed off at Biden is a textbook example of cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

I legitimately don't know how to handle these sorts of situations. I've learned that my methods don't work on people with strong emotions on a subject without a 1 on 1 and some intoxicants.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“If it came down to Trump and Joe Biden, I will vote for Trump. Because it doesn’t get worse than Joe Biden,”

Well, if Trump does get reelected, I hope for this guy's sake that he's right. I have my doubts, though.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

That is the statement of either a complete fucking idiot or a troll.

Any measurement of the two shows who’s better, and it’s not like breaking news or anything. Was this shithead alive in 2017-2021??

[–] meleecrits@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas

Right. This guy that called for a Muslim ban will be so much more sympathetic to the genocide in Gaza...

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Well...Trump will indeed end the war quickly. Likely by turning Gaza into scorched earth.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And Trump with his SCotUS cronies have plans to end / strip birthright citizenship & deport 11M "undesirables".

Want to guess who will be at the very head of that line? You don't think Stephen Miller is getting lists of arrestees from the colleges right fucking now?

And I very seriously doubt I'll have the capacity to feel bad for the dangerously stupid by that point.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is just a terribly written headline. The problem is, if you changed the headline, there wouldn't even be a story.

There's a fairly large group of Arabs in that area, and some of them might vote for Trump. This is not surprising. If you live in the area, it might even be worth reading more about why they would support Trump. One could try to discuss their positions and see if they really think that Trump would do better or worse than Biden.

It is often mentioned but needs to be repeated here, because the same mistake was made yet again... Any time you try to blame one small group for the outcome of an election, you're just wrong. Everyone who votes, or doesn't vote, everyone who campaigns, who supports people campaigning, everyone who creates or runs the systems that assemble and count votes, they all play a role in determining the outcome.

[–] theareciboincident@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No you’re wrong, a few thousand edgy lunatics totally decided the 2016 general election, the one where Trump literally lost the popular vote while corporate Dems ignored historic battlegrounds and popular policies, instead assuming it was their turn to win.

Liberals seriously can’t see how much they are embarrassing themselves and revealing their true nature.

Always talking about nice sound bites, kindness, and world peace while stabbing you in the back as soon as it’s time to make laws and just sitting back while police kill you.

Completely chilling while Zionists kick you out of university for peaceful protest, making kids homeless thousands of miles from home with no money and ruining their education. Think of the economy!

The same people that feel so bad for the homeless but have no problem with NIMBYism and never actually help or vote for helpers.

The slow realization that liberals will welcome fascism if it means they can step over your dead body to get Starbucks tomorrow is absolutely fucking chilling.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Man, dumb shit like this makes me want to let the leopards they want to vote for eat their faces.

I'm white, male, solidly middle-aged. I can look like a neo-con magat if I need to. Shit, as long as the only thing I'm talking about is guns, most people will probably think I am a neo-con. Most people aren't going to recognize my tattoos, so they'll be able to believe that I'm some kind of christian fucko, esp. since I know the bible far better than most evangelicals.

I survived Trump's first term without too many direct negative effects. I'm old enough that I'm not the one that's going to be well and truly fucked when climate change slams into the US like a derailed freight train. I haven't had to worry about accidentally getting someone pregnant in 30 years, so rights to choose and access to birth control have zero direct affect on me. I can let dumb fucks burn their own house down around them, and it's not going to directly harm me.

...But goddamn, I still want to save those idiots from themselves, because I don't want to live in the country that Trump and Republicans want this to be.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

Should have very strictly regulated the forever chemicals and micro plastics multiple decades ago. People are so inexplicably stupid and deranged that it has to be the chemicals.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean my coworkers families are in danger today, why would you expect them to give a shit about an election six months away when they might get the call to find out they don't have relatives tomorrow.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (28 children)

Because they’ll still exist tomorrow, and the not-having-relatives-danger only increases by supporting the republiQan?

Is this really that difficult to understand? Using this watershed election as an entry-point to understanding how national politics and foreign relations work (or don’t work) is not only irresponsible, it’s tragic timing. Perfect timing for russia tho. Coincidentally.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 months ago

Are Establishment Democrats Really Prepared to Hand the Presidency Back to Donald Trump Rather Than Listen to Their Constituents? In a Word: Yes.

[–] sazey@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Burn it down Pookie, burn the motherfucker down.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

Garbage "walk away" bullshit 2.0 remains bullshit. F'off.

[–] echo@lemmings.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Who are 'the Arabs'? Would that be the same ones that billions of dollars of investment in buying Trump? Does it really seem odd that they'd want their asset back in the White House?

This isn't a failing of Biden. This is unchecked corruption.

[–] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The “Arabs” are American voters. Dearborn, MI is the largest population of Muslim people outside of a Muslim-majority nation.

(It’s in the article you didn’t read)

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[–] Hegar@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Don't fall for the liars blaming arab-americans disgusted at our government's active role in the ongoing palestinian genocide.

Blame democrats who are providing military and political support to an ongoing genocide and expecting that somehow won't hurt them in the election.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I get the feeling, but Project 2025 doesn't cut out any caveats for average Americans who voted for Trump. You will be white and christian or you will face the wall. I just want you to remember that at least you didn't vote democrat when we're being shelled by Amazon for revolting inside Amazon City C417-982.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Good grief, this is such a stupid take. If donnie gets his way, he'll be deporting them, most likely.

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