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For all I know it may be impossible. But lately I've seen the 2027 thing come up a bit. Time and time again it's vague and ambiguous.

I was thinking it could be useful to create an index of everywhere 2027 has been mentioned as being a significant year in regard to NHI and UAP. Books, podcasts interviews any other sort of media.

I would think that it would begin to paint a picture which could potentially shine a light on where exactly this notion originated. I feel like identifying its first verified mention could really do a lot to make head way on deciphering the enigma.

Anyway just a thought if anyone has suggestions or a better idea of how to go about this undertaking please mention it in the comments.

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A few of us have been working together behind-the-scenes for a few months to figure out a broader timeline of the US government's involvement with UFOs/UAP. I've felt weird walking around with this stuff, so last Monday, after the revelation about Dick Cheney being linked by Grusch as being at the top of the UFO cabal, and then after the debate, I figured it was time to start really digging in and getting it down.

It's all broken my brain but is starting make more sense now. Grusch said he was tactical in getting the Magenta, Italy 1933 crash-retrieval case cleared by DOPSR to show that it was worldwide and goes past Roswell. The reality is the Magenta crash-recovery by Mussolini, experimented on by Nobel Prize winner Guglielmo Marconi, and later by the Germans, which was then backchanneled to the US by the Vatican via the OSS, truly sets up the power structure that would go on to shape the US and world following WWII.

I had to finally get around to using the Medium account I set up for this stuff after the hearing, as the posts were running too long for Reddit as I did my best to source stuff and include it. I'll link to those below. My apologies that they're a little messy; again, the whole thing has been breaking my brain and I'll go back and try to clean them up some.

The short version of the narrative is pre-WWII the Bush family and their law firm Brown Brothers & Harriman helped fund the Nazis and got rich doing so.

Then some of them were a major part of the OSS and decided the fate of WWII while also figuring out where the Magenta craft was.

Then in 1947 after Roswell, these same people set up the CIA and hide the UFO/UAP program.

Then George H. W. Bush and Allen Dulles, who was a lawyer working for George H. W.'s father at Brown Brothers & Harriman and then was a major part of the OSS and then the CIA, basically tried to take over the world doing evil shit. And if Dick Cheney is at the top of the cabal now, that's because he cozied up right alongside Bush and crew back in the 70s and then they both got rich going to war, running the oil business, killing our planet, and hiding advanced tech from us.

Most of those same folks attended Yale and were part of Skull of Bones, which ended up being prime recruitment grounds for the CIA.

Here's Part 1:

Part 2:

Part 3:

And now onto Part 4!

Now that we've covered much of George H. W. Bush's early days alongside Allen Dulles and the greed and worldwide damage they caused, let's cut to what happens after.

Back in March 1952, the Air Force set up Project Blue Book, their UFO/UAP research office widely regarded as a disinformation unit in response to an increase in UFO/UAP sightings that year. In November of that year after being elected, Eisenhower appointed Allen Dulles as the first civilian Director of the CIA and his brother John Foster Dulles as Secretary of State. Allen then commissioned a review of Blue Book and held the Robertson Panel immediately in January 1953, which concluded that there was nothing to the UFO issue.

Allen Dulles dies January 26, 1969 of lung cancer at age 75. By the end of the year, the CIA's UFO office Project Blue Book is disbanded and its secrets go private, likely to SAIC founded later that year.

Before that, the 1960s was a fraught time between JFK's assassination, the Vietnam War, and the fight for Civil Rights.

It was also the time that George Bush saw his ascension through the CIA, albeit clandestine at first.

If you'll remember, it was during his run for President in 1988 that UK publication The Nation outed him as secretly working for the CIA starting in 1960 or '61, and that he was briefed by the FBI on JFK's assassination.

From there, he would rise through the government via special appointments that confounded people considering his scant political career.

Following an unsuccessful run for the United States Senate in 1964, he was elected to represent Texas's 7th congressional district in 1966. President Richard Nixon appointed Bush as the ambassador to the United Nations in 1971 and as chairman of the Republican National Committee in 1973. President Gerald Ford appointed him as the chief of the Liaison Office to the People's Republic of China in 1974 and as the director of Central Intelligence in 1976. Bush ran for president in 1980 but was defeated in the Republican presidential primaries by Reagan, who then selected Bush as his vice presidential running mate.

Bush was appointed Director of the CIA by President Gerald Ford following the Church Committee, which dug its heels into the agency following Watergate and Nixon's resignation. Bush was put in place to tighten the lid on the agency's secrets, and now we can get to who else in his orbit.

Just today, Ryan Sprague at Somewhere in the Skies interviewed Anthony DeLorenzo of the XpandedKnowledge YouTube channel. Following the mention by Grusch that was brought up last Monday about Dick Cheney being at the top of the cabal, DeLorenzo published this video four days ago:

If you cut to Sprague's interview with DeLorenzo at around 17:30 here, they get into Dick Cheney's orbit in the '70s, specifically the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Ford-Nixon-Bush connections:

Dick Cheney started out as Donald Rumsfeld's assistant while Rumsfeld was Gerald Ford's Secretary of Defense from 1975-1977. DeLorenzo states that Rumsfeld has had a fascination with UFO subject going back to the 60s as documented in Michael Salla's US Air Force Secret Space Program Shifting Extraterrestrial Alliances Space Force, which can be read in its entirety here:

Rumsfeld was doing his own investigations into Congress about the UFO subject alongside Cheney and Ford in the 60s, and Nixon was Eisenhower's VP. So there's a good chance that Nixon knew about the supposed Eisenhower Accords in 1953.

Later in 1961, upon leaving office, Eisenhower made this famous speech about the dangers of the MIC.

Here's a breakdown on the two years he spent working on that speech personally.

When Nixon loses the 1960 election to JFK, to my knowledge after the first televised debate between the two when voters moved from supporting the gruff, older Nixon to the calm and charismatic JFK, he then runs for Governor of California in 1962 and loses to Democrat Pat Brown and drops out of politics. Republican Ronald Reagan then beats Pat Brown to become Governor of CA in 1966, and Nixon runs and wins the Presidency in 1968.

Oh look, Gerald Ford went to Yale at the same time as George H. W. Bush! It's also reported that he saw not just a UFO but had an encounter with beings!

And he held the Michigan seat in the House of Representatives from 1949-1973 after VP Spiro Agnew was forced to resign from office and Nixon appointed Ford to replace him. Then when Nixon resigned rather than be indicted over Watergate, Ford became defacto VP and named Rumsfeld as his Chief of Staff. When Rumsfeld becomes Ford's Secretary of Defense in 1975, he recruits his staffer Dick Cheney to succeed him as Chief of Staff.

So right there, in 1975, we Ford, Rumsfeld, Cheney in the White House and George H. W. Bush appointed director of the CIA by Ford, all following the fall of Nixon because of Watergate. And all a bunch of old school WASP-y dudes into UFOs.

Cut to the story that Danny Sheehan's been telling lately, that when Carter, who had seen a UFO as a Senator, won the election in 1976, nine days later he summoned CIA director Bush to his Savannah, Georgia to his home and asked him about the UFO subject. And Bush said he'd only tell him if Carter kept him on as Director. But Carter said he didn't like that deal, and after he was inaugurated, he removed Bush from the position.

So what happens in 1...


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"Are there other countries already advancing past the US in reverse engineering recovered technology? Matthew Pines seem to suggest just that on an episode of The Mr. Obnoxious podcast.Is disclosure already happening now because of this and are the private companies trying to get ahead of it? Kristian Harloff discusses."

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There are a ton of affidavits that I'm still going through, I thought I would post them for others to see. Pretty mind blowing.

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This past week in Disclosure:

Sep 10-11 – Various members of the House confirm a follow-up hearing on UAP will be hosted in the coming weeks

According to conversations with Askapol, Reps. Burchett and Luna confirmed that a 2nd UAP hearing will be hosted by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability. Rep. Nancy Mace will be the chair for this session.

Askapol: “So you think this is laying groundwork for next…?”

Rep. Burchett*: “Yeah, future things. And I think we got some, we'll get some good quality witnesses in. And I think too more whistleblowers will come in because we’re serious.”*

ML: “Yeah?”

Rep Burchett: “I think that would be excellent. And I think that'll lay the groundwork for the next President to do what's right with this.”

Previously, Sen. Gillibrand had indicated a UAP Hearing was also on the cards for the Senate – which would mean the topic is being publicly addressed at a bicameral level.

Sep 10 – Christopher Mellon speaks on the UAP topic in a new interview with Matt Ford

Mellon, the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, appeared on the Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford to discuss his view on the current state of affairs vis-a-vis UAP, their national security implications and why he believes Congress must pass The Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act of 2024 for the NDAA.

"One of the things that's concerning... is that we have a pattern of [UAP incidents] now, it seems to be getting more aggressive, more assertive. The length of time between incidents seems like it's maybe decreasing. We had this happen over Guam back in maybe 2018, Andersen Air Force Base, we had these incidents in 2019 over a number of navy ships...in some cases these objects/devices have actually been sort of taunting us [...] We absolutely need to get to the bottom of this."

Sep 11 – new FOIA releases shed light on some of Dr. Kirkpatrick's activities during his tenure as AARO's director

A recent FOIA release was published by the requester on X, and revealed some additional insight into some of the activities Dr. Kirkpatrick engaged in during his time as AARO's lead.

Notably, some of the emails released refer to disccussions hosted in order to enhance safety measures and inter-agency coordination on UAP-related issues. Key focus areas included:

  • Collision hazards across various domains
  • Implementation of COCOM (Combatant Command) responsibilities per the UAP General Administrative (GENADMIN) guidelines
  • Operational coordination and reporting between services
  • UAP response, recovery, and material transfer
  • Collaboration with civil aviation and other multi-sector partners
  • Command concerns and feedback mechanisms
  • Optimizing Command reporting of UAP-related phenomena, safety, and security analysis for the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).

Sep 13 – Rear Admiral (Ret.) Tim Gallaudet confirms he has been invited to testify at upcoming Congressional UAP hearings

In a LinkedIn post, retired Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet (who has previously asserted the existence of a NHI presence on Earth) announced he has been invited to provide his testimony during the upcoming UAP Hearings.

"Yesterday I was invited to testify on UAP disclosure before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability in November."

Things to look out for in the near future:

September/October/November

  • According to Senator Gillibrand – a public hearing in line with AARO's latest report can be expected soon, saying –"I’m hoping July, and if not then September. But I’m trying to do July.”
  • Speaking with Askapol, Reps. Luna and Burchett indicated that the next UAP hearing is likely to come after the August recess

Beyond/currently unknown

  • Following the UAP hearing on the 26th of July, Members of Congress have called for a select committee with subpoena authority, to “go about the task of collecting information from the Pentagon and elsewhere” on unidentified flying objects. There have been conflicting messages from various Members of Congress on whether this is likely to happen anytime soon. Note – a select subcommittee was formally requested on March 13th.
  • Reps. Moskowitz, Luna, and Burchett have repeatedly stated their intent to hold field hearings to overcome stonewalling from the Pentagon and military establishment "I think we [Congress] should try to get into one of these places [housing UAP evidence]...and if they won't let us in I think we should have a field hearing right outside the building...and the military will have to explain why that is." – Rep. Moskowitz (D) It is currently unknown when exactly we might expect that to occur, however as of Jan 12 – Rep. Luna confirmed: "I feel confident that we have enough evidence to move forward with our first field hearing. We will be announcing details soon."
  • Several journalists have indicated that first-hand witnesses of the alleged UAP legacy programs are in the process of providing testimony/evidence to the relevant authorities (e.g. the IC IG) and/or are on the verge of making public statements in the near future (Example 1example 2example 3example 4)
  • David Grusch has received additional clearances through DOPSR to discuss some of his (alleged) first-hand knowledge of Legacy programs. He has mentioned he may be covering more of this information in an upcoming Op-Ed

Skimmed through this post but need a quick refresher on how we got to this point? Check out this handy Disclosure Timeline to get up to speed.

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Are these just ice particles or?

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I haven't seen this posted to the sub yet. Posting to watch and comment after work about all us handsome fellas with glasses involved in the UFO topic. I hope I have now typed enough letters and words to post, but if not I will add this run-on sentence.

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It seems like many people don’t fully grasp how large organizations, especially government agencies, operate.

I work at a large company with numerous departments. There are literally hundreds of people in the same building who don’t know me or what I do, and vice versa. If I discovered my manager was embezzling a significant amount of money, I would report it to HR. The HR team might know who my manager is and understand their role, but that doesn’t mean they know them personally or condone their actions.

In this scenario, I’m effectively blowing the whistle on wrongdoing within my department by reporting it to another part of the company. If the media got hold of the story and wanted to interview me, our legal team would probably review my statements to ensure I don’t disclose sensitive details, like how my manager exploited the company’s systems to steal money. Revealing certain specifics could open the company up to legal or financial liability.

I could still speak to the media about the issue and tell the truth, but I wouldn’t reveal details that could further harm the company.

This parallels what happens in the government when a former intelligence officer like Lue Elizondo or David Grusch wants to talk publicly about classified programs, like those dealing with UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena). Before they can share any information with the public, they have to go through a formal review process with the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR).

This office isn’t run by people trying to protect secret UAP programs. Their job is purely administrative—they just ensure that any disclosures won’t reveal classified information that could harm national security. They don’t care what an individual is trying to say as long as it doesn’t compromise legally sensitive or classified details. So, for example, when Lue Elizondo submitted his book manuscript about his work in the Pentagon’s UAP programs, DOPSR reviewed it to ensure he wasn’t revealing anything that could jeopardize intelligence operations or military security.

Similarly, when David Grusch wanted to talk about SAPs (Special Access Programs) allegedly reverse-engineering UAPs, his statements went through DOPSR to ensure no classified info was leaked. But here’s the critical part: if someone within the government wanted to suppress Grusch's information because it exposed an illegal program or other sensitive activity, they would have to provide a legitimate reason for censoring it.

For instance, if Grusch submitted talking points saying, “I believe there’s a secret SAP reverse-engineering UAP technology,” and the DOPSR review rejected it, they’d need to justify why that particular information was too sensitive to disclose. In many cases, this could raise more red flags than simply letting him speak, especially if the information is already stigmatized and easily discredited in the public eye. By trying to block these disclosures, it could inadvertently draw more attention to the program in question, potentially looking far more suspicious than just letting him speak and then attempting to discredit him afterward.

In other words, it’s not like the people reviewing these disclosures are involved in the conspiracy themselves. They’re more like gatekeepers ensuring no one accidentally lets classified material slip. If someone were to actively block Grusch or Elizondo from speaking, they’d need a clear reason tied to national security—anything else would be incredibly hard to justify, and could lead to deeper scrutiny into why certain details are being withheld.

So, just like in the corporate example, these review processes exist to protect sensitive information, but they don’t necessarily serve the interests of concealing deeper corruption or wrongdoing. If something illegal or unethical is happening in the background, it’s often hidden from the very people conducting these reviews.

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I’m taking this from here

""Like The Flight Of A Bat-- ^ It came winging in over the sea off Trindade Isle, Bra- zil, bright from either self-light or reflected sun. A green- ish vapor hung about it as it made an undulating but ex- tremely fast line for land. Watching it were nearly 100 persons, crew members of the Brazilian Navy's Almirante Saldanha, on a routine trip from Rio de Janeiro to the island. The time was just past noon on January 16 in the International Geophysi- cal Year, 1958, and the personnel of the ship, which had been participating in IGY exercises, included a retired Brazilian Air Force officer, Captain Jose Teobaldo and a a group of submarine explorers headed by Amilar Vieira Fil- ho. Also aboard, by invitation of the Navy, to photograph some of the exercises, was Almiro Barauna, professional photographer. "Get Barauna," was the first thought as the amazed viewers watched the unidentifiable object. In seconds Bar- auna was there with his camera. He scanned the area sin- gled out for him by the excited crewmen, seeking his sub- ject. Then he saw it "like the flight of a bat" coming in to- ward a point of land named "Galo Crest." He set his Rolleiflex 2.8, Model E, at 1/125 with an f/8 opening (a choice he later realized had overexposed the film), and got off two shots before the glowing, saturn- like object disappeared behind Desejado Peak. The viewers crowded in, their attention riveted on the R peak behind which the object had sped. Within seconds it was back again, lower, larger and flying in the opposite direction. Barauna got three more shots but the last two were lost; the object was traveling rapidly and the witnesses were pushing and jostling for better viewing position; cer- .tainly not ideal conditions for a photographer. Then for a moment the object appeared to stop in mid-air. Barauna took one more shot, his last. The object picked up speed and disappeared. The film was processed on the ship under the vitally interested eyes of several officers including Commander Carlos A. Bacallar. Only the negatives were available for examination at the time since there was no photographic paper on hand, but these were scrutinized by every person aboard and two days later, after the ship had returned to port, enlargements of the prints were turned over to Navy authorities who sent them to Cruzeiro du Sul Aerophoto- grammetric service to be analyzed. The report: Negatives were genuine. No evidence of a trick or falsification. Barauna was subjected to further investigation by na- val authorities, and other witnesses aboard the ship were questioned. Ultimately Barauna was told that the chief intelligence officer was convinced the photos were authen- tic and congratulations were extended to the photographer. The reports gained widespread attention but the photos were not released at the time. Dr. Olavo Fontes, of Rio de xtent, glowing, undulat- ing, it was Sighted first by ocers aboard Brazilian, Navy ship; photographed by professional photographer. Approved For Release

There’s a ton to read through. I clicked reader view on my phone to make it easier. Anyone heard about this sighting or know if the pictures are available?

The cia reading room is cray cray.

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"Everything they say is approved by the Pentagon, that's not whistleblowing. That's public relations."

Be really skeptical of these people. One thing, I'm willing to bet money on: they will never provide irrefutable evidence.

It's very likely that another 80 years will pass, and nothing will come out of it.

As opposed to Grusch or Lue, I read somewhere in here that at least least Bob Lazar named names, locations and dates. That person was massively downvoted, but I agree. I'm not endorsing his statements, he didn't release tangible evidence, but that's more than the celebrities of this sub have done.

Don't be sheep. I accept that there might be agents promoting certain viewpoints that will downvote this post and comment negatively. If you're just a regular dude reading this, think for yourself. Open your mind.

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