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Former Pentagon insider Luis Elizondo says the Department of Defense has a spacecraft crash retrieval program and has recovered nonhuman bones. In a NewsNation special, Elizondo reveals more than any Pentagon official has done before, naming the government agencies and aerospace companies he says possess these alleged spacecraft. Tune in to the full NewsNation Special Report, "Confessions of a UFO Hunter," Friday at 9/8c followed by a special edition of "Banfield" with reaction to the special at 10/9c.

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That Extra-Dimensional, always gets me. I don’t believe this was a hoax. I think it was covered up 2 weeks after. A lot of the things he said in a way are starting to show up now in current day. There’s just something about this audio. I know I will get flamed, and this place is tired of the “woo” but this just never felt fake to me.

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Original Title: Associated Press: Former Pentagon insider says U.S. unwilling to release all its UFO info - "A good starting point might be what happened to the remains of non-human bodies that have been recovered from crash sites. Elizondo fears the Defense Department never will disclose what it knows about that".

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The NHI/UAP topic is fundamentally a topic of intelligence classification, and congress has the power to effectively force Disclosure. The constitution does gives the executive branch a lot of power to not Disclose, but the constitution can be amended if it comes down to it.

But in order to get there, we first have to let our reps know that we care about the issue. The risk/reward profile is too imense to ignore.

And even if you're a skeptic, we can all agree that we should pass a law/amendment that mandates Disclosure If or when the government ever becomes aware of NHI.

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In Lue Elizondo’s interview on Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal, Elizondo mentions a discussion with a friend who he refers to as a government ‘greybeard’…

 

Elizondo describes the ‘greybeard’ as a “really smart guy” who was “always paid to solve the hard problems for the US government. Cold war, how do we solve that?...How do we beat the Russians at their own game…so this guy I respect tremendously”.

Amongst other things, Malmgren is described on Wikipedia as a ‘senior aide to US Presidents John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford.’

So he’s a respected Cold Warrior and now he pop’s up to promote Lue Elizondo’s book? Sounds like a strong candidate for the ‘greybeard’.

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Hey everyone,

I’m trying to track down a leaked photo from a recent conference (possibly SALT 2023) where a military representative shared a timeline of stages for information that’s set to be revealed to the public by 2030. The photo was initially leaked on Twitter, and few redditors here have recreated it.

If anyone has seen it or knows where I can find it, I’d really appreciate your help!

Thanks!

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im really hoping this sub could come up with a book review like movie SPOILER thread in Reddit. This would provide insight for all as information I believe should be shared especially for a topic thay may very well discuss the origin of humanity and our purpose. So I believe we could come up with a post that would allow those who want to read spoilers and those who want to share their insight and from what theyve read so far. If this is not allowed then kindly delete mod

P.S. Im only hungry for info as Spotify premium is region locked for the said book in my country the Philippines.

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Hi everyone,

In his new book, Imminent, Luis Elizondo mentions an alleged UFO crash that reportedly occurred in Kazakhstan in 1989. According to Lue, four non-human bodies were found at the crash site and the craft itself was said to resemble the famous "tic tac" shape observed by the USS Nimitz.

I’m very curious about this story and would like to know if anyone has more details or credible sources about this incident. Specifically:

  • Are there any credible reports or documentation supporting the crash and recovery of the non-human bodies?
  • Has there been any official or unofficial investigation into this event?
  • Are there any eyewitness testimonies or further elaborations on the nature of the craft?

I’m eager to dive further into this and would greatly appreciate any insights or information you might have!

Thanks!

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Original Title: "Looks like Jay Stratton may be up next with an AATIP / UFO themed book. I asked DoD via FOIA for DOPSR submissions by Stratton, and there were none, as of late February of this year. Sounds like a new FOIA is in order for submissions since then."

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This is a follow-up to my previous post here:

In 1952, Herbert Miller replaced Colonel Benson as Chief of the Office of Scientific Intelligences Nuclear Energy Division and Chairman of the Joint Atomic Energy Intelligence Committee.

~https://www.governmentattic.org/44docs/CIA_SandTofcSciIntel1949-68_1972_All.pdf~

Because of the tight security and sensitivity of many of the programs initiated under Mr. Miller’s guidance, strict compartmentation developed within OSI and the agency. The Atomic Energy Act of 1954, under which clearance for AE information came under tighter administrative control throughout the Government, compounded the compartmentation. Since Miller was responsible for Restricted Data information within the Agency, he was able to isolate the NED, its people and information from the rest of the Agency. Since RD clearances required his personal approval, he was able to limit the flow of information and gain personal control over all AE intelligence. The result was that Miller at times operated his Division outside the purview of his immediate supervisors and maintained a direct channel with the DCI.

Miller was part of the Special Engineer Detachment at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project.

~https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/herbert-i-miller/~

He served in various leadership positions in the D and J Divisions at Los Alamos from 1946-1950.

~https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1673353~

Some context on the aforementioned divisions.

~https://lasg.org/archive/pre-1995/LA-UR-17-22764-MeadeRoger-LosAlamos-in-1953.pdf~

In 1948, Miller was aboard the USS Albemarle, the laboratory ship used during Operation Sandstone, a series of atmospheric nuclear tests.

~https://rminucleardocs.icaad.ngo/api/files/1610681488349l115kt8nzb9.pdf~

Miller was on the Marshall Islands in 1949, working for AEC contractor Holmes & Narver.

~https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.7208/chicago_9780226783574-008/html?lang=en~

During his reign as Chief, the NED became responsible for the production of part of Section 63, Chapter VI of the National Intelligence Survey. These subsections related specifically to intelligence regarding radioactive elements, particularly uranium and thorium.

In 1955, Miller left this role to participate in the development of the U-2 spy plane. 

~https://www.governmentattic.org/44docs/CIA_SandTofcSciIntel1949-68_1972_All.pdf~

Along with Richard Bissell, Special Assistant to Allen Dulles, he was tasked with picking the location of what would become known as Area 51. Selected quotes from Annie Jacobsen’s Area 51: An Uncensored History of America’s Top Secret Military Base below.

~https://archive.org/details/area51uncensored0000anni/page/n2/mode/1up?q=Miller~

According to most members of the black world who are familiar with the history of Area 51, the base opened its doors in 1955 after two CIA officers, Richard Bissell and Herbert Miller, chose the place to be the test facility for the Agency’s first spy plane, the U-2. Part of Area 51’s secret history is that the so-called Area 51 zone had been in existence for four years by the time the CIA identified it as a perfect clandestine test facility. Never before disclosed is the fact that Area 51’s first customer was not the CIA but the Atomic Energy Commission. Beginning in 1951, the Atomic Energy Commission used its parallel system of secret-keeping to conduct radical and controversial research, development, and engineering not just on aircraft but also on pilot-related projects—entirely without oversight or ethical controls.

More from Jacobsen:

The following winter, in 1955, Richard Bissell and his fellow CIA officer Herbert Miller, the Agency’s leading expert on Soviet nuclear weapons, flew across the American West in an unmarked Beechcraft V-35 Bonanza in search of a location where they could build a secret CIA test facility, the only one of its kind on American soil. Only a handful of CIA officers and an Air Force colonel named Osmond “Ozzie” Ritland had any idea what the men were up to, flying around out there. Bissell’s orders, which had come directly from President Eisenhower himself, were to find a secret location to build a test facility for the Agency’s bold, new spy plane—the aircraft that would keep watch over the Soviet Union’s burgeoning nuclear weapons program. Accompanying the CIA officers was the nation’s leading aerodynamicist, Lockheed Corporation’s Clarence “Kelly” Johnson, the man tasked with designing and building this new plane.Johnson sat in the back of the Beechcraft with geological survey maps spread out across his lap as the men flew from Burbank, California, across the Mojave Desert, and into Nevada. They were searching for a dry lake bed called Groom Lake just outside the Nevada Test Site, which had had its boundaries configured by Holmes and Narver in July of 1950 during the top secret Project Nutmeg that resulted in Nevada’s being chosen as America’s continental atomic bombing range. Legendary air racer and experimental test pilot Tony LeVier was flying the small airplane. LeVier had a vague idea of where he was going because his fellow Lockheed test pilot Ray Goudey had taken him to Groom Lake on a prescouting mission just a few weeks before. On occasion, Goudey had shuttled atomic scientists from California to the test site and once he had even set down his aircraft on Groom Lake to eat his bag lunch.

“Descending for a closer look, we saw evidence of a temporary landing strip,” Bissell later recalled, “the kind of runway that had been built in various locations across the United States during World War Two for the benefit of pilots in training who might have to make an emergency landing.” The large, hardened salt pan was a perfect natural runway, and LeVier effortlessly landed the plane. The men got out and walked around, discussing how level the terrain was and kicking the old shell casings lying about like stones. To the north, Bald Mountain towered over the valley, offering cover, and to the southwest, there was equal shelter from a mountain range called Papoose. According to Bissell, “Groom Lake would prove perfect for our needs.”

Bissell was acutely aware that Groom Lake was just over the hill from the government’s atomic bomb testing facility, which meant that as far as secrecy was concerned, there was no better place in the continental United States for the CIA to set up its new spy plane program and begin clandestine work. “I recommended to Eisenhower that he add a piece of adjacent land, including Groom Lake, to the Nevada Test Site of the Atomic Energy Commission,” Bissell related in his memoir, written in the last year of his life. Four months after Richard Bissell, Herbert Miller, Kelly Johnson, and Tony LeVier touched down on Groom Lake, Area 51 had its first residents. It was a small group of four Lockheed test pilots, two dozen Lockheed mechanics and engineers, a handful of CIA officers who doubled as security guards, and a small group of Lieutenant Colonel Ritland’s Air Force staff. There was a cowboy feel to the base that first summer, with temperatures so hot the mechanics used to crack eggs on metal surfaces just to see how long it would take for them to fry.

In a 1965 speech, Bissell recounted how Miller was initially under the impression that he would be running the entire U-2 project.

~https://www.governmentattic.org/11docs/CIA-1965Bissellspeech_2014.pdf~

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October 1, 1945 - Strategic Services Unit (SSU) is formed from the Secret Intelligence (SI) and Counterintelligence (X-2) units of the now-dissolved OSS.

https://www.cia.gov/legacy/museum/exhibit/the-office-of-strategic-services-n-americas-first-intelligence-agency

The best intelligence available to British and American commanders during World War II came from intercepted and deciphered enemy messages obtained through the ULTRA (German) and MAGIC (Japanese) Programs.  In early 1943, Donovan created X-2, an elite counterintelligence branch with access to valuable ULTRA intelligence.  X-2 personnel followed British security practices (more strict than those of other OSS elements) and operated somewhat independently to protect ULTRA.  With this secret intelligence, X-2 guided OSS operations and developed innovative counterintelligence actions.

The Secret Intelligence (SI) branch of OSS, an original part of the Coordinator of Information (COI), was to obtain “by secret means information which cannot otherwise be secured and which is not elsewhere available.” In practice, this meant intelligence collection performed by agents, known as human intelligence (HUMINT) today ... One of the most remarkable SI successes was achieved by Allen W. Dulles, who later directed the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). On 2 May 1945, he arranged the separate surrender of German forces in Italy.

January 22, 1946 - A directive from President Truman establishes the Central Intelligence Group (CIG). The National Intelligence Authority (NIA), predecessor to the NSC, and the Intelligence Advisory Board (IAB), “consisting of the heads, or their representatives, of the principal military and civilian intelligence agencies of the Government having functions related to the national security, as determined by the National Intelligence Authority”.

~https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945-50Intel/d222#:~:text=The%20President's%20letter%20of%2022,by%20the%20National%20Intelligence%20Authority%2C~

January 1946 - The Central Reports Staff, “home to the analysts in the Central Intelligence Group”, is formed.

~https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/ORE-First-Center-of-Analysis-at-CIA-Sep2022.pdf~

The name of the Central Reports Staff was changed in July 1946 to the Office of Research and Evaluations, and again in October 1946 to the Office of Reports and Estimates (ORE), by which name it was known until it was abolished in November 1950. CIA veterans typically use “ORE” as the shorthand name for the analytical office for the whole period 1946–50.

~https://1997-2001.state.gov/about_state/history/intel/intro3.html~

By late March, a draft NIA directive embodying this basic approach had been discussed by the Intelligence Advisory Board, and on April 2, the National Intelligence Authority approved what became known as NIA Directive No. 4, "Policy on Liquidation of the Strategic Services Unit." (Document 106) NIA Directive No. 4 was a major step toward the allocation of responsibility for foreign secret intelligence to the Central Intelligence Group. The formal charter and the grant of exclusive jurisdiction were still in the future; they would not come until the NIA approved National Intelligence Directive No. 5 on July 8, 1946 (Document 160). While leaving open the question of whether the functions and activities of the SSU should "be transferred to the Central Intelligence Group or other agencies in order that its useful assets may not be lost," it authorized the Director of Central Intelligence to supervise the SSU's liquidation, to make recommendations to the NIA on "the intelligence activities permanently required in the peace-time effort," and to oversee the SSU's interim operations until it was liquidated. Finally, the directive instructed the Director of SSU to "make available to the Director of Central Intelligence, upon his request, any facilities and services of SSU which may be useful" to the CIG.”

July 8, 1946 - The Office of Special Operations is activated.

Fall 1946 - The Scientific Branch (SB) is established in the Estimates Division of the ORE.

~https://www.governmentattic.org/40docs/CIAandTofcSciIntel1949-68_1972.pdf~)

February 25, 1947 - CIG Director Hoyt Vandenberg and General Leslie Groves reach an agreement to transfer the Manhattan Engineering District’s Foreign Intelligence Branch to the CIG.

~https://www.governmentattic.org/40docs/CIAandTofcSciIntel1949-68_1972.pdf~

One exception to this general state of affairs in the U.S. was a foreign intelligence unit, the Foreign Intelligence Branch, in the Manhattan Engineering District (MED), the wartime agency under General Leslie Groves concerned with nuclear weapons development. It may be recalled that considerable fear was felt in some quarters, as the feasibility of nuclear weapons seemed increasingly assured, that the Germans might be carrying on a nuclear weapons program. It was reasoned that the early experiments on atomic fission had been performed by Germans, notably the Nobel Prize winners Otto Hahn and Lisa Meitner, and hence German understanding of the underlying principles of nuclear weapons was as great as ours. Attempts to establish the existence of a German program through clandestine operations were not altogether reassuring. Anxiety continued throughout the war in the West and even into the final stages of the war against Japan. At the close of the war, while the soul-searching into the Pearl Harbor disaster was taking place, the assets of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) were transferred in 1946 to an interim agency, the Central Intelligence Group (CIG), under the general surveillance of a National Intelligence Authority. This was the first attempt to consolidate and centralize the highest level intelligence functions of the U.S. Government

March 28, 1947 - Nuclear Energy Group, Scientific Branch, Office of Reports and Estimates is established.

~https://archive.org/details/cia-readingroom-document-cia-rdp84-00022r000200040027-0/mode/2up~

The Chief, Nuclear Energy Group “is solely responsible for final determination of dissemination of nuclear energy intelligence. He himself will disseminate such special nuclear energy intelligence as security restrictions make necessary.

The NEG chief is also authorized “to maintain, when essential for technical or security reasons, direct contacts with industries, institutions and individuals which have special significance to the Nuclear Energy Group, coordinating such contacts with the Office of Operations so as to avoid duplication of effort and provide maximum coverage in this field.”

March 5, 1948 - NEG is reassigned to the Office of Special Operations.

~https://www.governmentattic.org/40docs/CIAandTofcSciIntel1949-68_1972.pdf~

James Angleton was hired in 1948 to serve as the OSO’s head of operations.

~https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/JAMES%20J.%20ANGLETON%2C%20ANATOL%5B15725929%5D.pdf~

February 14, 1949 - A memo issued by DCI Hillenkoetter states, “the Nuclear Energy Branch of the Office of Special Operations is abolished and its records, personnel, and functions will be incorporated into the Office of Scientific Intelligence”.

~https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78-04718A000100290005-6.pdf~

Declassified Q&A from 1952 with pertinent information regarding the NEG/MPFIS.

~https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84-00022R000300090006-7.pdf~

Lyle E Seeman was Chief of the Nuclear Energy Group at the time of its transition into OSI.

[~https://www.governmentattic.org/40docs/CIAandTofcSciIntel1949-68_1972.pdf~](https://www.governmentattic.org/40docs/CIAandTofcSciIntel1949-68_...


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Original Title: Harald Malmgren's daughter, former advisor to GW Bush, wrote an article last year claiming “physical material” and “craft” have also been retrieved from space. "Grusch story is the first of many planned disclosure interviews". "The decision to go public has been made, and now there is no going back"

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