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I want to manage my expectations for this upcoming herding on November 13th. I’m sure there are high level people and congressional leaders actively looking on this subreddit.

If you are someone that is involved in the political arena, please consider using subpoena power to recruit admiral Wilson to testify. Perhaps he could be considered a non-cooperative witness. However, He could, under oath, potentially provide the public a confirmation of something that’s long been alleged with the Wilson Davis memos, and perhaps even something more.

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I don't know how relevant this is but I guess so people know that on Youtube the Need to Know Podcast has moved to a new channel while the old one has reverted to primarily being Bryce's now under the new name Point of Contact.

Probably just for administrative reasons but if you want to keep up to date, sub to the new one :)

(I am not affiliated with the Podcast, I just like it a lot and admire Bryce and Ross work a ton)

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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/tanktoys on 2024-10-14 12:47:23+00:00.

I've read Passport to Magonia, Messengers of Deception and I'm currently navigating through Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact. I love the high strangeness that is often accompanied to the Phenomenon, so I'd like to ask you guys what is the weirdest case you've ever read in Vallée's books.

One of my favorites is the "Pancake Case" that involved Joe Simonton, but also Rosa Lotti Dainelli's encounter with two small men that robbed her of the flowers she was bringing to her husband. Thanks for your answers and for any potential new hint you'll give me.

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This is something that just came together in my head and I wanted to write it out. LHS 1140 b is an Ocean planet 40 something light years away in the habitable zone of a red dwarf star. James Webb just released images of it.. It may have an Ocean temp of 68 degrees f.

I just read up a bunch about Gary McKinnon, a Scottish hacker who hacked NASA in early 2000s. The US response and everything he has said since lead me personally to believe the guy. They are making a movie now called the People vs. Gary McKinnon. He found 'The Disclosure Project', a list of 'non-terrestrial officers', and other interesting data. One thing that stood out to me at the time was his description of loading an image slowly (over dialup) that was a cigar shaped craft in front of a white and blue planet. The way I read it, it was not Earth. He said there was a building at Johnson space center that did image scrubbing of all of NASAs images coming from various sources. He saw original, edited and in process images.

The problem is now I can't find that exact interview to quote it. Anyway, as time has passed the cigar shaped craft, the tic tac, etc. Seem to line up. It gets really fun after reading the 4chan guys disclosure. If there are NHI that operate from an undersea base how likely would it be that came from an Ocean planet that may be in range to Earth? I am suggesting that NHI from LHS 1140 b would likely require under sea civilization on an Ocean planet with volatile surface weather, and that Gary McKinnon saw an unscrubbed image of a cigar shaped craft in the stratosphere of LHS 1140 b.

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Four Chilean scientists were left on Roberts Island in Antarctica for a month to conduct studies. They observe two metallic objects suspended in the sky performing high-speed maneuvers. The objects remain there for two days while witnesses take measurements. As the objects approached, the ambient radioactivity increased. The scientists report the sighting upon their return. The photos of the objects and the expedition logbook are seized.

Witnesses:

From left to right: Celestino Castro, Abelardo Báez, Jorge Moder and Juan Adofacci.

• Celestino Castro, Marine Biologist and professor at the University of Chile, 45 years old.
• Abelardo Báez: Laboratory assistant at the Marine Biology Station of the University of Chile (Celestino Castro's assistant in this expedition), 18 years old.
• Jorge Moder: Glaciologist and professor at the Catholic University of Chile, 31 years old.
• Juan Adofacci: Nurse Sergeant of the Chilean Navy, 35 years old.

Abelardo Báez, being the youngest of the 4, is the only living witness today. Two years ago an article was published with his testimony in which he details the case and how he experienced it, among other things:

When and how did the sighting of the objects in the air occur?

“The four of us stayed there in a shelter called Coppermine, on Roberts Island, to be able to carry out the research tasks.

Celestino Castro, who was my boss, slept very little because he was very upset by that isolation and now I understand it, because we were very far from the Navy Base, which was the Arturo Prat Base, which was very far from Roberts Island, besides, the radio with which we communicated with the Base every afternoon was damaged and we could no longer do that, so we were practically isolated. We had to stay there for a month.

Then Castro, who was always half awake, went out one morning to get some air and came back to the shelter shouting in despair, telling what he had seen. The first one to get up was the Moder, Jorge Moder, who went out to check, then Sergeant Adofacci came out; I thought they were joking.

... when no one came back, I got up and went out to see what was going on. It was indeed true. There were two zeppelins, like pencils, with that shape, which were vertically in the sky and did not move, static in the air. They had no windows, you could see violet, purple and silver color changes. And that's where this whole story begins.”

What was your feeling when you came out of the shelter and saw the objects in the sky?

“It was something impressive. There is a kind of channel that forms between the island and the mainland and seeing these objects there, parallel to each other, left me impressed. As I already had the comments of those who had risen before, I didn't feel scared, but rather I was asking myself questions as to what this was all about."

What's going on then?

“Jorge Moder went crazy, he went back inside the shelter to look for his instruments to make certain measurements, he brought an altimeter, which for me, a layman, was something spectacular. With that he measured the height of the object and according to what he describes in the document it was practically 150 meters long. Both objects were located vertically, they looked like zeppelins.

The most shocking thing was when Moder arrived with a kind of mirror, a polarized lens, and began to make signals, he tried to communicate and there was a kind of approach of these objects, as if there was a distraction of these objects and they came closer. As Moder had already measured the radioactivity emitted by the environment where these objects were, he could observe how the radioactivity changed, and when he saw that the radioactivity continued to increase Celestino Castro got very upset, he got scared, he hit him with a stick and broke the mirror to the Moder so that the objects would not continue to approach, because as he communicated the objects came a little closer. Celestino was afraid that if they kept coming closer and the radioactivity kept increasing we would all die.

We went inside the shelter, commented on this phenomenon and asked ourselves what to do now, so we decided to leave."

What did you comment or reflect on at that time?

"At the beginning we thought that it was a phenomenon typical of Antarctic nature, a territory that we did not know, as if it were something similar to the aurora borealis or another phenomenon, for example, that kind of comments we made.

But they were two zeppelins so identifiable and located in a position that had nothing to do with the coast, with the sea, with the sky, so we had all those questions. As I was saying, later we went out to measure with the instruments and when we started to worry we saw that they were still there, so we decided to go to some caves to protect ourselves, because we thought that the shelter was very vulnerable.

We went to the caves, but in the afternoon it started to get very cold so we went back to the shelter and the objects were still there in the sky. The fact is that they were there static for 36 hours.”

Did the objects make some movements?

“Of course, the curious thing is that the objects begin to make some movements at a speed that was calculated at almost forty-five thousand kilometers per hour as described by Moder, they moved in zigzag and then stopped dead in their tracks. Human beings, at that speed, inside those objects, are crushed by inertia. That meant to him that they were not beings of this planet.

Now, another important detail that I remember is that the orientation of these objects was always towards the military base of the marines, the Prat Base, which was on Greenwich Island. They would zigzag, stop and come back.

Suddenly, one day in the morning when we went out, they were gone.”

Did you experience any physical change, or any strange sensation in those moments?

“It did not produce any physical alteration, only the impression, some were more altered than others. Moder, being a very moderate, calculating scientist, who acted as a leader in the emergency, nothing happened to him, nor to me, because at my age everything was an adventure; Sergeant Adofacci didn't seem very worried either. Celestino Castro, who was my boss, on the other hand, who was a very wise old man, an extraordinary man, had a more or less serious psychic alteration, he went into a state of anguish, of panic”.

Did anyone else know about this episode at the time?

“Of course. Then comes everything else when we get to the ship to tell the story. We were received by the Comandante, Commodore we called him, and he requisitioned everything, he requisitioned the rolls of photos, because Moder and Castro had very good photographic machines. It seems that there is an official secret that handles all that information. And, in addition, we were strictly forbidden to comment on the fact.

Later, according to Jorge Moder's account, who continued investigating because he remained very concerned about the situation trying to find out what happened to all this documentation, we learned that it was sent to the United States, by the Chilean Navy, apparently.”

How much time later were you able to tell this story?

“Now that this appears on television, I was there in 55, about 66 years later this episode has just come to public light.

We were all very shocked by this, so much so that when Moder was interviewed by Channel 13, many years ago (April 1968), he agreed to this interview, but he appeared with his back turned, without showing his face. Of course, because the Commodore, the Captain who was in charge of the whole expedition in Antarctica, strictly forbade us to comment anything, otherwise we would have to assume the consequences.

This case is officially listed in a digital publication of the CEFAA, Committee for the Study of Anomolous Aerial Phenomena, with the following description:

Case description by CEFAA.

"One of the scientists used to get up at night to observe meteorological phenomena, however, the night of January 8 was different from all the previous ones he had witnessed. He rushed to wake up the second scientist of the team to accompany him to observe a phenomenon occurring outside the shelter.

According to what was described, they would have observed two metal cigar-shaped devices, in a vertical position, perfectly still, reflecting the sun's rays. Both witnesses decided to wake up the two companions of the expedition, so that they could become aware of the phenomenon by themselves.

*The assistant also stood up and soon all four men were observing the phenomenon. At about nine o'clock, one of the objects suddenly took a horizontal position and flew to the west. It lost its metal...

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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/BloodySabbath on 2024-10-14 05:56:57+00:00.

So Sammy Hagar posted a video of some orbs above him in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico.

Most likely from last night. He filmed the orbs at 10:13 pm around the Pisces Constellation.

Sammy claims he was abducted by aliens in the past. The Van Halen song "Love walks in" is about that experience.

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Lockheed Martin has talked about developing a technology that acts like a skin and can grow on the outside of aircraft, but this is something they’ve been working on for years. Makes you wonder what kind of tech they have now if this was an older project.

It feels like, as time goes on, more of these little bits of info that get released end up being told…..

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.1 sighting description and video, contemporaneous report, daytime cloudy sky, single light object, elongated, tictac, horizontal orientation, low over treeline, horizontal trajectory, powerlines, urban area, Toronto Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 , plane for comparison, [GOODPOST], downvoted to zero

.2 video, daytime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, not seen by eye, north Texas, birds for comparison

.3 photo, daytime sky, powerlines, plane for comparison, Kern County California, not seen by eye, single object blackwhite

.4 sighting description, no craft, cloud anomaly, similar sightings in comments, The black line in front of the plane went as far as I could see and was the exact trajectory of where the plane was headed. It lasted maybe 15 seconds before the line disappeared., wtf_is_that, two witnesses, visible w naked eye but much more prevalent w my polarized sunglasses on.

.5 photo, nighttime sky, twolights, angular, red 🔴, contemporaneous report, submission statement issues, Waterloo Alabama removed by mods

.6 photo, nighttime cloudy sky, triangle 🔺️ observed, two witnesses, photo shows reddish glow, contemporaneous report, Lewiston new York state, threelights, low over rooftop, sudden departure upward, silent, hovering triangle with a light at each corner. We thought it could be a drone, but drones make sound. Also, it seemed to be hovering low, and then just shot up and sped into the clouds., subsequent twolights, flying in formation, downvoted to zero

.7 video, nighttime sky, spotlights type, fleet, diffuse lights moving, circling or merging and splitting,  low over rooftop, southern USA

.8 photo, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, sphere, Colorado foothills, low over rooftop, from car, possibly pacing car,  I followed this cloud along the interstate for about 4 miles and it stayed symmetrical like a top (that you spin) with a sphere on the bottom.

.9 sighting

.10 photo, nighttime sky, from James Webb telescope, possible anomaly, beetle 🪲 structure with ring ⭕️ around it, multicolored, data gap?

.11 photos, body marks, leg, three parallel lines, red,  I felt a slight burn sensation on my inner calf which woke me up and I found these scratches on the spot I felt the burning. There's no open wound as far as I can tell, it was just red and feverish. , at home, witness woke up, physical effects pain, heat

.12 photo, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, flying saucer, disk shape with dome, from car, directly in front, the Grapevine by Los Angeles California

.13 information, state of disclosure USA

.14 video, hiking, nighttime sky, single light object moving, elongated or trail, descending, possible trajectory change,

.15 video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, urban area, near Chicago Illinois, single light object, at home, outside window, duration 1 hour,  stationary,  downvoted to zero,

.16 photo, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, elongated,  London Ontario Canada 🇨🇦, horizontal trajectory, possibly made two passes, I think it circled back around 30 min later or so because I did see a small jet fly back the other way., Bombardier Q400?

.17 video, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, twolights circling each other, blackwhite, possibly flashing erratically or jumpy movement, video shows vanishing and reappearing, possible smaller objects accompany it or emitting orbs, possible single object multiple lights, moving slowly, bird for comparison, Portland Oregon, urban area, trajectory change observed, [GOODPOST]

.18 sighting description, contemporaneous report, over water, Baltic sea, near Kiel Germany 🇩🇪, two witnesses, nighttime sky, fourlights, moving erratically, trajectory change, They would suddenly stop, make abrupt left-to-right shifts, and then change speeds within milliseconds. One of the lights spun continuously in a circle until it dimmed and disappeared near the horizon., additional single light object moving fast, trail, it left a lingering trail in the sky and disappeared slowly., duration 1-2 minutes, witness left the area

.19 sighting description, possible cloaked craft, camping, nighttime, two witnesses, new south Wales Australia 🇦🇺, a line or a ripple going across the sky from horizon to horizon. It was very fast., has anyone seen?,

.20 video, nighttime sky, Pompeii Italy 🇮🇹 , twolights, one bright one dim, flying in formation, duration 30-40 seconds

.21 photo, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, northern lights, Connecticut, single light object, not seen by eye, trail,  multicolored , removed by mods

.22 ➡️ video, nighttime sky, single light object, flickering or flashing quickly, low over rooftop, Highland Utah, [GOODPOST], light beams, stationary or moving slowly, similar sightings in comments , silent, observed vanishing, electronic effects porch lights everywhere went crazy every time this has happened., repeat visitor, powerlines,

.23 video, daytime sky, single light object, elongated, tictac, horizontal trajectory, horizontal orientation, low over treeline, oblong in shape smooth and white almost fluorescent and it move rather quickly., submission statement issues, OP engaging in comments

.24 video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, Ridgefield Washington state, downvoted to zero,  single light object moving, possible additional single light object appearing and vanishing

.25 video, nighttime sky, twolights, flying in formation, contemporaneous report, Ahmedabad Gujarat India 🇮🇳

.26 video, nighttime sky, single light object, beetle 🪲 structure with ring ⭕️ around it, multicolored, video shows splitting, [GOODPOST], lighting configuration change to threelights, to twolights , to fourlights, close formation, flying in formation, repeat visitor, ongoing, contemporaneous report, Surrey the UK 🇬🇧,

.27 ➡️ photo and video, nighttime sky, at home, Maui Hawaii, near water pacific ocean, contemporaneous report, at home, duration several minutes, stationary, single object multiple lights, close line formation, horizontal orientation, powerlines, low over treeline, witness looked away and looked back, vanished, I went inside to let my wife know I was going to go drive and see if I could get a better shot and then of course, the object was now gone. , link to raw images in comments, [GOODPOST]

.28 video, daytime sky, Santa ana California, at home, flew over the witness home, silent, single object blackwhite, reddish glow, irregular shape, jellyfish 🪼, estimate it was the size of a large helicopter, with an appendage hanging from the bottom. The probe looking appendage was lit on the bottom, like fire or heat reflection., OP comments downvoted ,

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Original Title: TIL that on October 13, 1917, in Portugal, thousands of people claimed to witness the sun "zig-zagging" in the sky, after three children were told by an entity a miracle would occur on that exact day.

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I wasn't going to make this post as it will most likely fall on deaf ears. But here ya go.

I'm an odd ball former research scientist, materials, robotics, dod IRAD, and a few prank robots for Mark Rober lmao. Anyways, I've spent the last few months obsessively researching Townsend Brown's work and ZPF theories. I'm currently working on setting up my ultra high vacuum chamber and getting my die cast ready to make some barium titanate cones for an asymmetric capacitor, as well as documenting my research investigations, hoping to release the detailed report soon. I noticed that the recent discussion's surrounding Lue's comments on Jesse's channel might align with what I'm interested in.

My actual write up is about 20 pages and would not be a light read. I'm just going to give a high level overview of some interesting connections I've looked at. Don't be afraid to fact check me on anything, I'm writing this up super quick and will make mistakes.

1. Infrared

• If I'm not mistaken, Lue Elizondo and Hal Puthoff worked together.
• Hal's research says Zero Point Field interactions have emissions in the infrared spectrum. I'll come back to drop the reference, but (off tha dome) Hal mentions the Casmir effect's vacuum decay resulting in thermal emission in a lot of his research. Although I remember reading a paper that has a more detailed theoretical frame for ZPF fluctuation interaction having emissions in infrared.

2. Material "ablation" as it relates to anomalous force production

Normal Vacuum Arc Thruster operating

• Jesse Micheal's video on Townsend Brown mentioned two papers (NASA and the Air Force) that attempt to replicate Townsend's experiments. Jesse said that neither of them show anything weird. This is objectively false. Btw that's not a bash on Jesse, research papers are not easy to dissect, and I wouldn't be looking into this if I hadn't seen the video, although I remain somewhat skeptical.
• Across all experimental work and theoretical work, a few things jump out at me:
  • Anomalous forces are only observed, or at least they're pronounced, at ultra high vacuum.
  • Rapid non-linear charge or discharge of high electrostatic accumulation. Discharge across a high energy asymmetric capacitor, the vacuum arc is a result of electrode material undergoing a phase transition to plasma, thus ablating the material. Physical mechanical electric thrust techniques have been well established such as Vacuum Arc Thruster's, Pulsed Plasma thrusters, etc. But hardly any have been studied with a high energy constant dielectric material with an asymmetric configuration.
• Air Force's "Twenty First Century Propulsion Concept"
  • In this paper they have an entire section called "Anomalies". In this section they discuss significant anomalous force measurements for one specific set of conditions. When they were investigating the effect of using a high energy dielectric with the asymmetric capacitor in test 81 and 82, vacuum arcs (plasma) were observed across the electrodes, followed by very significant unexplained forces. They didn't observe or at least note any material loss. The ionized cathode material is what is seen to be ablated in vacuum arc thrusters. Interestingly, the field lines usually direct this material to be shot out the back with vacuum arc thrusters, but in the Air Forces paper the material would have been directed towards the large anode plate. Seemingly pushing on itself to go forward, although the laws of conservation prevent this, so another unexplained force must be at play.
• NASA's "Asymmetrical Capacitors for Propulsion" and updated publication for the same experiment "The ISR Asymmetrical Capacitor Thruster, Experimental Results and Improved Designs"
  • "When Device 2 wired according to Circuit A was placed in the chamber and immediately pumped down to a pressure of 5.5 × 10–5 Torr, something interesting happened. The voltage on it was increased to 44 kV, and through the viewing port a large arc was observed. At that same moment, the device was seen to move about an eighth of a rotation and stop." ... "The large arc that was observed suggests that this movement was most likely caused by material being ejected from the device. This material might be either the copper on the plates or it might be water vapor." ... "The amount of material that would be necessary to cause this slight one time movement would be hard to detect."
  • This occurred only with one test configuration at vacuum, when a dielectric was placed between the electrodes with a breakdown across the electrodes.
  • They say that the amount of material that would've caused this would've been hard to detect? Let's see. They include in their calculations for the case of material ablation that this event had a constant force of 0.014 N for a material alation speed of 931 m/s. This would result in a loss of 15 mg every second. I was really annoyed that they didn't provide the total expected material loss, so I did it myself.
  • In the second paper, they provide the moment of inertia and radius of the arm to the axis of rotation for this device (Device 2). Thankfully, this allowed me to calculate that with the 0.014 N, starting from rest, using angular acceleration we can derive the amount of time it would take to complete a 1/8th of a rotation. Which gave me 2.66 seconds. Great!
  • 2.66 seconds X 15mg/s = 40mg.
  • Okay, so not a lot of material. But reading through vacuum arc thruster papers, this wouldn't be even close to possible for a single breakdown event. The specific impulse of the current would've been huge for a 44kV discharge, but given the distance between the electrodes and the usual discharge times (on the order of nano seconds, or micro seconds), removing 40mg of material is out of the question. Also, this would imply large particles being ejected, which is very undesirable and horrible for efficiency of thrust in VAT's. So maybe it was multiple discharges and they didn't notice? I'm not sure.
  • Okay so what? Well other than that, they neglect to say which direction the device rotated, assuming they would've denoted a backwards rotation, it can be assumed that the device moved from the cathode to the anode (negative to positive).
  • Based on every IEEE paper on vacuum arc thrusters, the material would've been removed from the cathode. This is interesting. For NASAs configuration, as the material was ionized, it would've moved along the field lines to the anode, resulting in backwards motion.
  • I should mention, 0.014 N isn't nothing. They're second best performing device (4 A) that used ion wind at atmosphere produced .028 N and rotated at 128 RPM. Since the spark event occurred in a high vacuum, neglecting air and bearing resistance, given a constant 0.014 N, if the sparks were constant, it would rotate at 127 RPM.
  • NASA removed details of the spark event and any material ablation calculations in their updated paper... ;)
• Thomas Townsend Brown:
  • I doubt anyone is aware of what I'm about to include. Townsend Brown had personal scientific notebooks he didn't want ever released. Against his will, after his death, one of his family members transcribed and released notebooks 1, 2, and 4. Notebook 3 was never released. These contain many different experiments and hypotheses, and really out there stuff. But I think they provide a very unique and closer look into Townsends unfiltered thoughts. In regards to the subject at hand, I'll include this.
  • In notebook 1, well, I'll just let you read:
    • "42. The Impulse Effect in the Force Developed by a Simple Capacitor in Vacuum. In the dynamic phase of the electrogravitic interaction, the force developed by a system of electric dipoles is believed to vary with the rate-of-change of the voltage between the dipoles.  This force, independent of the movement of ions or any mechanical reaction therefrom, operates in the direction of negative-to-positive as the voltage is increasing, and, presumably, in the opposite direction as the voltage is decreasing.  In vacuum (10-6 mm Hg or less), an interesting effect is observed.  Any simple vacuum capacitor will appear to flash as the voltage increases, and, concurrent with the vacuum spark, an impulse force is noted in the direction of the negative to positive."
    • 43. The Nature of the Vacuum Spark, as related to the initiation of an electrogravitic impulse. The vacuum spark is apparently not due to a flow of electrons, although aflow of electrons may accompany the discharge.  Initiation of the "flash", as it is called from observations in the dark, appear to be related to anode conditions such as shape (field intensity) and the metal comprising the anode. In a recently evacuated system, flashing starts at a comparatively low voltage, 30-40 KV. It becomes less frequent at this low range and then ceases altogether. A higher voltage is then required

50 to 60 KV, which causes a succession of flashes which, in turn, cease. At 80-90 KV, flashing is intense for a time, but finally ceases. At 130-140 KV, the flashing is quite intense and cease only after a considerable time. It is believed that a threshold may be reached between 150-200 KV where flashing will be sustained and continuous.  The electrogravitic forces developed by the rapid succession of impulses which accompany the flashing in...

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It's just a thought but hear me out.

I've been following the topic of aliens and UFO's for a long time now, never really been involved in discussions but I've read lots of interesting theories over the years and I guess I've cherrypicked parts of other theories to come up with this idea.

I just watched a video on project bluebeam where the shadow government plan to create this new world order, one world government, perfect utopian society etc, but essentially its just enslaving everyone so the rich elite can stay the rich elite and control everything and everyone for their own benefit. Which is what prompted this thought.

Let's say millions of years ago, humanity evolved much the same way as us today. They enact their own version of project bluebeam, (or through some other means) create their own perfect utopian society for the benefit of the rich. They've developed advanced AI to run every aspect of their lives. They've cracked biological immortality and selective breeding/genetics. They no longer need a massive population of slave workers to benefit them as their tech handles it all. They retreat underground (possibly to escape an extinction event) as it's the safest place to maintain a long term civilisation, leaving the rest of us 'workers' on the surface as we're no longer needed.

The rich assholes now have their own perfect society going on underground while the surface dwellers get wiped out by some natural disaster. Millions of years go by, completely erasing every trace of there ever being anyone here before. The rich, still underground, bask in their highly advanced, technologically assisted comfortable lives, never needing for anything.

One day they get curious. They wonder if humanity was to start out all over again, would we turn out the same? Maybe conditions are different now and they want to see how that would affect our evolution.

They create us, occasionally nudging us along when things get stale, giving us myths, legends, religions etc, but largely keep their presence unknown as to not affect the results.

We are simply their experiment. Basically the zookeeper theory, only its not some different, far away alien species that discovered and are watching over us, its just, us. They don't care if we wage war and kill each other along the way, just so long as we don't completely wipe ourselves out. That's why they fuck with nukes, to make sure we don't set off a nuclear war and destroy ourselves. They want to see how we progress. They want to see if we take the same 'tech tree' as they once did or do things differently. Can't do that if we're all dead. Even though extinction would be a valid scientific result, they've invested thousands of years into this and they'd rather not have to wait millions of years to start over and recreate the experiment so that's the only time they get involved, simply to save them the inconvenience of restarting all over.

We are however just an experiment, so if we get too advanced and too unruly and actually become a threat to them, they could just hit the exterminate button and wipe us out completely if they deemed it necessary for their own protection.

So yeah, basically, they are us. Just millions of years more advanced. We are simply a rich people curiosity experiment.

Maybe our elite know this and are trying to follow in their footsteps, recreate their technology and society.

Maybe all the secrecy around 'national security' and the suppression of these advanced technologies is because our current leaders know that if we start to become too advanced and hence a threat, we will be wiped out, so they plan on using this advanced recovered and reverse engineered tech to one day be able to wage war with this more advanced society so they're no longer a threat to us, and all the secrecy and compartmentalisation is so they don't find out what we're planning until we're ready to strike.

Or maybe they know there is no possible way we would win that fight, so they intentionally keep us from advancing too much just to ensure our survival.

In a way, similar to the plot point of the Horizon games where a small group of billionaires flee into space to avoid extinction, only to return a thousand years later with highly advanced tech while the rest of humanity on Earth started over basically from scratch and are currently in a tribal phase. Only instead of space they went underground, and instead of only a thousand years going by where remnants of the past civilisation still exist, it's been millions of years so nothing remains.

It's just a passing thought I wanted to share. If anyone wants to build on it, expand on it, change it, rip it to pieces, by all means ✌️👽👍