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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/shock-_-jockey on 2024-10-13 04:27:32+00:00.

I wasn't going to make this post as it will most likely fall on deaf ears. But here ya go.

I'm an odd ball former research scientist, materials, robotics, dod IRAD, and a few prank robots for Mark Rober lmao. Anyways, I've spent the last few months obsessively researching Townsend Brown's work and ZPF theories. I'm currently working on setting up my ultra high vacuum chamber and getting my die cast ready to make some barium titanate cones for an asymmetric capacitor, as well as documenting my research investigations, hoping to release the detailed report soon. I noticed that the recent discussion's surrounding Lue's comments on Jesse's channel might align with what I'm interested in.

My actual write up is about 20 pages and would not be a light read. I'm just going to give a high level overview of some interesting connections I've looked at. Don't be afraid to fact check me on anything, I'm writing this up super quick and will make mistakes.

1. Infrared

• If I'm not mistaken, Lue Elizondo and Hal Puthoff worked together.
• Hal's research says Zero Point Field interactions have emissions in the infrared spectrum. I'll come back to drop the reference, but (off tha dome) Hal mentions the Casmir effect's vacuum decay resulting in thermal emission in a lot of his research. Although I remember reading a paper that has a more detailed theoretical frame for ZPF fluctuation interaction having emissions in infrared.

2. Material "ablation" as it relates to anomalous force production

Normal Vacuum Arc Thruster operating

• Jesse Micheal's video on Townsend Brown mentioned two papers (NASA and the Air Force) that attempt to replicate Townsend's experiments. Jesse said that neither of them show anything weird. This is objectively false. Btw that's not a bash on Jesse, research papers are not easy to dissect, and I wouldn't be looking into this if I hadn't seen the video, although I remain somewhat skeptical.
• Across all experimental work and theoretical work, a few things jump out at me:
  • Anomalous forces are only observed, or at least they're pronounced, at ultra high vacuum.
  • Rapid non-linear charge or discharge of high electrostatic accumulation. Discharge across a high energy asymmetric capacitor, the vacuum arc is a result of electrode material undergoing a phase transition to plasma, thus ablating the material. Physical mechanical electric thrust techniques have been well established such as Vacuum Arc Thruster's, Pulsed Plasma thrusters, etc. But hardly any have been studied with a high energy constant dielectric material with an asymmetric configuration.
• Air Force's "Twenty First Century Propulsion Concept"
  • In this paper they have an entire section called "Anomalies". In this section they discuss significant anomalous force measurements for one specific set of conditions. When they were investigating the effect of using a high energy dielectric with the asymmetric capacitor in test 81 and 82, vacuum arcs (plasma) were observed across the electrodes, followed by very significant unexplained forces. They didn't observe or at least note any material loss. The ionized cathode material is what is seen to be ablated in vacuum arc thrusters. Interestingly, the field lines usually direct this material to be shot out the back with vacuum arc thrusters, but in the Air Forces paper the material would have been directed towards the large anode plate. Seemingly pushing on itself to go forward, although the laws of conservation prevent this, so another unexplained force must be at play.
• NASA's "Asymmetrical Capacitors for Propulsion" and updated publication for the same experiment "The ISR Asymmetrical Capacitor Thruster, Experimental Results and Improved Designs"
  • "When Device 2 wired according to Circuit A was placed in the chamber and immediately pumped down to a pressure of 5.5 × 10–5 Torr, something interesting happened. The voltage on it was increased to 44 kV, and through the viewing port a large arc was observed. At that same moment, the device was seen to move about an eighth of a rotation and stop." ... "The large arc that was observed suggests that this movement was most likely caused by material being ejected from the device. This material might be either the copper on the plates or it might be water vapor." ... "The amount of material that would be necessary to cause this slight one time movement would be hard to detect."
  • This occurred only with one test configuration at vacuum, when a dielectric was placed between the electrodes with a breakdown across the electrodes.
  • They say that the amount of material that would've caused this would've been hard to detect? Let's see. They include in their calculations for the case of material ablation that this event had a constant force of 0.014 N for a material alation speed of 931 m/s. This would result in a loss of 15 mg every second. I was really annoyed that they didn't provide the total expected material loss, so I did it myself.
  • In the second paper, they provide the moment of inertia and radius of the arm to the axis of rotation for this device (Device 2). Thankfully, this allowed me to calculate that with the 0.014 N, starting from rest, using angular acceleration we can derive the amount of time it would take to complete a 1/8th of a rotation. Which gave me 2.66 seconds. Great!
  • 2.66 seconds X 15mg/s = 40mg.
  • Okay, so not a lot of material. But reading through vacuum arc thruster papers, this wouldn't be even close to possible for a single breakdown event. The specific impulse of the current would've been huge for a 44kV discharge, but given the distance between the electrodes and the usual discharge times (on the order of nano seconds, or micro seconds), removing 40mg of material is out of the question. Also, this would imply large particles being ejected, which is very undesirable and horrible for efficiency of thrust in VAT's. So maybe it was multiple discharges and they didn't notice? I'm not sure.
  • Okay so what? Well other than that, they neglect to say which direction the device rotated, assuming they would've denoted a backwards rotation, it can be assumed that the device moved from the cathode to the anode (negative to positive).
  • Based on every IEEE paper on vacuum arc thrusters, the material would've been removed from the cathode. This is interesting. For NASAs configuration, as the material was ionized, it would've moved along the field lines to the anode, resulting in backwards motion.
  • I should mention, 0.014 N isn't nothing. They're second best performing device (4 A) that used ion wind at atmosphere produced .028 N and rotated at 128 RPM. Since the spark event occurred in a high vacuum, neglecting air and bearing resistance, given a constant 0.014 N, if the sparks were constant, it would rotate at 127 RPM.
  • NASA removed details of the spark event and any material ablation calculations in their updated paper... ;)
• Thomas Townsend Brown:
  • I doubt anyone is aware of what I'm about to include. Townsend Brown had personal scientific notebooks he didn't want ever released. Against his will, after his death, one of his family members transcribed and released notebooks 1, 2, and 4. Notebook 3 was never released. These contain many different experiments and hypotheses, and really out there stuff. But I think they provide a very unique and closer look into Townsends unfiltered thoughts. In regards to the subject at hand, I'll include this.
  • In notebook 1, well, I'll just let you read:
    • "42. The Impulse Effect in the Force Developed by a Simple Capacitor in Vacuum. In the dynamic phase of the electrogravitic interaction, the force developed by a system of electric dipoles is believed to vary with the rate-of-change of the voltage between the dipoles.  This force, independent of the movement of ions or any mechanical reaction therefrom, operates in the direction of negative-to-positive as the voltage is increasing, and, presumably, in the opposite direction as the voltage is decreasing.  In vacuum (10-6 mm Hg or less), an interesting effect is observed.  Any simple vacuum capacitor will appear to flash as the voltage increases, and, concurrent with the vacuum spark, an impulse force is noted in the direction of the negative to positive."
    • 43. The Nature of the Vacuum Spark, as related to the initiation of an electrogravitic impulse. The vacuum spark is apparently not due to a flow of electrons, although aflow of electrons may accompany the discharge.  Initiation of the "flash", as it is called from observations in the dark, appear to be related to anode conditions such as shape (field intensity) and the metal comprising the anode. In a recently evacuated system, flashing starts at a comparatively low voltage, 30-40 KV. It becomes less frequent at this low range and then ceases altogether. A higher voltage is then required

50 to 60 KV, which causes a succession of flashes which, in turn, cease. At 80-90 KV, flashing is intense for a time, but finally ceases. At 130-140 KV, the flashing is quite intense and cease only after a considerable time. It is believed that a threshold may be reached between 150-200 KV where flashing will be sustained and continuous.  The electrogravitic forces developed by the rapid succession of impulses which accompany the flashing in...

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