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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You mean not until the entire voting system is overhauled and the first pass the fence post system is abandoned.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes. I mean the thing that won't happen until we overwhelmingly vote in the major parties primaries to put in representatives who will legislate those changes at the state level. Because 3rd party candidates aren't winning with the current system, so we have to change the two major parties from within, through their primaries.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't see that happening unless we were voting with rifles and guillotines.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No 3rd party has won a single electoral vote since Wallace in '68. He won 46. You have to go to Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 to top that with 88 (the most ever). It's either taking over the parties from the local level up through their primaries or it will take the full collapse of our government with a new constitutional convention, and that probably won't go well.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like I said, rifles or guillotines. I don't see it reasonably happening through voting in our current system.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well it can't if we don't try. For the 2024 primaries in Texas we had 17.9M registered voters, 3.2M primary ballots cast, and only 900k of them were Democratic. So I get why people think it isn't going to work. But I think anyone expecting a "don't vote and let it burn down" situation to result in an immediate improvement rather than things getting insanely worse are deluding themselves to everyone's detriment.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm definitely not in the don't vote camp. I just think I have reasonable expectations of what my vote can accomplish, and it's not much.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Definitely a lot of well earned cynicism about the process.