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[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Wow, that is unpopular. I've been campaigning against republics for a long time, but I've never seen anyone agree.

[–] Hastur@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Nowadays you can cause riots by saying: Humans come in XY and XX chromosomes by genetic program, the correct expression of this genetic program leads to male or female genitalia and there's currently no medical or surgical procedure to change that, no matter how much you insist. So that was one notch less controversial.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

You can't cause riots by saying that. Obviously you can't literally change your dna. No one is trying to do that. What people are saying, is that gender, while related to sex, isn't the same thing as sex. The meaning of the word is basically category, and if you look at other cultures, they often have more than 2 genders, and they are not related to or are only partially related to sex. That's what people mean when they say gender is a social construct. Trans people are truly changing genders, not sexes. That's why the term "transgender" is used.

[–] zhemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like they are recognizing the issue that gender is a construct, and making the issue worse by enforcing more made up social boxes to stuff things into, instead of recognizing and accepting the realities of sex and disrespecting gender as the oppressive tool it is. Just like how non-binary people who submit to their specific place in the trans story are enforcing the idea of two main boxes they fit between. I think the misstep in most languages development that pushed sex information/assumptions into pronouns has made it harder to think of things logically now. Someones genetic configuration have no relevance to the vast majority of communications. Unfortunately, I think this has cause bad people to enforce oppression and impacted peo people to create more fantasy that modifies the issue but doesn't help it. I personally think the biggest danger in trans led communications is a lack of focus on looking to accept yourself as a physical being and disrespect what people expect from that, as a first step anyways. I think more steps beyond that are certainly good for some people. I think that sounds of the things trans people are advocating for is great for humans, but only because they're the quickest way to get a slightly better quality of life using fantasy. I don't know if eradicating the social constrains built into our very languages is as easy as creating fantasy social constraints that give more people more peace. It's a difficult topic in my opinion.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if eradicating the social constrains built into our very languages is as easy as creating fantasy social constraints that give more people more peace.

It would be essentially impossible to convince people to just stop using gendered pronouns. Some languages already do this, like Turkish, but it introduces more problems. It becomes much more difficult to differentiate between people in conversation if you use the same pronouns for everyone. People who natively speak Turkish, and other languages like it, learn to structure their sentences in ways that make it clear who they are talking about without the use of gendered pronouns. So not only do you have to convince people to stop using those pronouns, you have to change the way they speak entirely.

I think its a much better idea to have more than 2 genders, maybe 3 or 4, and randomly assign them at birth regardless of sex. This way you could differentiate between people even more effectively as well as remove the social constraints. This would also be extremely difficult and probably impossible to make happen, but I think its ideal.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We assign a random token at birth, that is used purely to identify you in conversations?

That's called a name my homie

Yes, but why would you refer to people by their name every time you mention them? It gets very tedious very fast.

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