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Well, I wouldn't say something rude like "your post is useless" even if I believed it (which I don't) but at the same time I'm kind of struggling to see how to apply your point seeing as it was made in the ideal hypothetical scenario. After we do add those effects back in like:
How do we relate the real situation to what you said?
That's kind of the problem: Prejudice can seem rational in the simplified example that doesn't have any nuance. In reality though, there are too many factors to account for, too much missing data. So when someone introduces "Greens have 10% lower IQ scores" to the conversation it's virtually never going to be constructive. That's the point I was making originally.
Indeed. Even a small discrepancy that wouldn't really have much practical effect could absolutely be magnified by bigotry. Again, I feel like this is kind of reinforcing my original point.
My statistics knowledge isn't good enough to call you out (or confirm that you're correct). The 60-65 number you came up with sounded reasonable to me, so I don't really have a reason to argue about that.
You mean a test that includes both the greens and purples? I'm not sure how that would be relevant in this specific scenario since we're talking about comparing greens and purples.
The thought exercise was good to show that if there were a race that is inherently 10% dumber, everything else would not stay equal for more than a few years.
I'm a bit confused by how you seem to think I'd be surprised to find that an unbalanced situation that is set to some configuration will tend to return to its equilibrium. The real situation is so complex that we can't even definitely say exactly where the equilibrium is though. Real people aren't one dimensional, so one person maybe less intelligent but more dedicated.
It's also possible to go too far trying to make things balanced. Kurt Vonnegut wrote a story called Harrison Bergeron that you might enjoy: https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
We can at least try to make sure people meet their basic needs like food, water, health care and have access to education and information.
I read Harrison Bergeron in school. That's what would be needed for full equality of opportunity, if you think about it.
I agree that we (if we're in similar countries) can do a much better job than we do on meeting basic needs.