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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imo veganism, like addressing your carbon footprint, should be an individual choice and not pushed on others for the sake of the climate. It has too small an impact for the difficulty of getting people to change. That effort is better spent lobbying government.

But for me personally, I don't feel right eating beef knowing how bad it is for the climate. If someone asks me why I don't eat cow products, I explain. But I don't try to push it on anyone else.

Similarly, I pay companies to sequester my estimated personal carbon footprint because I can afford it and it helps me sleep at night. But that's not a solution to climate change.

[–] kicksystem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

We're at the start of an enormous climate crisis that doesn't have a single solution. We should definitely push each other to do much better on all fronts. Reducing meat eating happens to play a pretty important role. So when somebody tries to get you to do better, please be receptive. This needs all of us and we live in a closed densely connected social system.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you care about the climate going vegan has the most impact one can do according to the IPCC. I am vegan and still have enough energy to fight for change on different topics. It is not that that its a excuse to do nothing else, it is just the bare minimum in my eyes.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The IPCC are a bunch of ineffective wishful thinking idiots.

Cut subsidies to meat. Tax carbon. That's the only way you can get meaningful demand-side action: through a response to supply-side actions.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cut subsidies to meat. Tax carbon.

This is one part of their recommendations, cut meat subsidies and use it for plant based food, have you not read the report? Or do you wish that they use nukes to force it?

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish that they do anything at all to force it.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you are vegan, or do you need a strong figure in your life to force the change upon you that you want to see?

Or do you use the "but not everyone" as a excuse for your behavior?

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Need something to force me. So, same as most people.

Next question?

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No further questions, I don't debate those who prefer fascism over personal responsibility.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Fascism" = literally anything I disagree with rofl

You're like the Fox News idiots blathering on about how everything is socialism

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it is more of a sexual thing for you when you want somebody to tell you what to do? Have you been a bad consoomer? Do you need to be punished with veggies?

How weak has one to be to call for a strong ruler who forbids them to kill others for pleasure when they could chose it any day...

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to everyone. Good job.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

If not needing some ruler who dictates me how to behave makes me superior, I take it.