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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you approve of Russias invasion of Ukraine?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

No and i do not approve any other country invasion of another. What about you?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you trying to say Ukraine is wrong to go into Russia?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Are you trying to say U̶k̶r̶a̶i̶n̶e̶ the government of ukraine who is drafting against their will disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders is wrong in ordering its soldier to invade Russia?"

This doesn't sound good to me, nodoby should do this or have the power to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-thought-order-to-invade-russia-was-joke-2024-8

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Going into Russia has been a huge tactical success for them, we will see if it's a strategic success, but chances are looking good. Drafting people against their will is kinda the definition of a draft. I haven't looked into the exceptions or lack thereof specifically though.

Do you have a problem with Ukraine invading Russia at all after Russia is trying to annihilate them as a country? Do you have a problem with their conscription policies? Or a problem with using conscripts in the attack into Russia? Or a combination of those three?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't think being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is a good thing regardless of who you are.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

To be clear, you're against Russia using conscription as well, right?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Is only the combination of drafting and going into another country that is unacceptable? Is Ukraine even using conscripts on that front?

The goal of the invasion into Russia (in my estimation) is to take territory to trade back to Russia in exchange for parts of Ukraine that Russia has captured. Do you think that's not okay? Why?

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is only the combination of drafting and going into another country that is unacceptable?

Forced draft alone is bad, ordering soldiers to invade another country it's even worst.

Is Ukraine even using conscripts on that front?

Good question, are they? I think more people should be concerned about it especially these who are supporting their own government in sending weapons to the government of ukraine.

The goal of the invasion into Russia (in my estimation) is to take territory to trade back to Russia in exchange for parts of Ukraine that Russia has captured. Do you think that’s not okay? Why?

This isn't a video game, what we are talking about is potentially forced conscript being ordered to invade russia and dying there a miserable way so that governments can trade pieces of land.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Why is invading into Russia not okay?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Russia's invasion is totally unjustified.

I think starting a war is very rarely justified. The evil prevented by attacking would need to be much larger than the inherent evil of the war. That's pretty close to Justinian just war theory, but I'd weight present known evils much more highly than theoretically reduced future evils to account for uncertainty. For example, I think an allied invasion into Nazi Europe was justified.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Ukraine is wrong and they shouldn't actually have any military at all btw, also I'm not a Russian troll"

— You

It's like watching a middle-schooler pick a fight, lose, then go crying to an adult that he's being bullied. You're pathetic.

I'm Finnish and have done my conscription and it was one of the best years of my life. I wouldn't want to go into war, but I would definitely go and fight Russia if they had invaded Finland.

Like Ukraine has done, defending their country from the Russian "#+special military operation."

Go cry into your limited access to the global community, Ruski. Slava Ukraini.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Ukraine is wrong and they shouldn’t actually have any military at all btw, also I’m not a Russian troll”

never said such thing, that's actually you saying it

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

never said such thing

No, it's what is implied. Perhaps you don't know the word?

So you think Ukraine is wrong to defend itself from Russian military aggression. You've admitted that.

The only people who think Russia is in the right about this are propaganda trolls and brainwashed Russian iidjits.