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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let them vote Trump then see what happens

[–] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're not voting for Trump, they're just not gonna vote because pretty understandably they don't want to vote for someone who is gonna use the taxes they pay to kill people they know and care about.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They're not voting for trump, they're just not gonna vote.

So voting for trump but trying to justify it by being shit at math.

Signed, a Palestinian America who's grandfather came to the US fleeing the fucking Nakba.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The anti-genocide protestors are pressuring the Democratic party, they are Democratic voters. Only the Democratic party has the opportunity to change policy on Israel. By pivoting and forcing conditional military aid / arms embargo, they can secure an actual ceasefire.

The people who are mad at the protestors, acting as if they're doing it for selfish reasons or secretly want trump to win, are being completely disingenuous. If they cared about ending the genocide in Gaza, they would also be advocating for the end of US directly funding Israel's crimes against humanity, but instead they'd rather complain about the protestors.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pressuring by threatening to let trump win.

The guy who handed East Jerusalem West Bank and Golan Heights to the enemy.

That's what they're threatening to use as leverage to "pressure" an establishment that's supposedly in bed with the right on this.

People who are threatening to not vote are either zionist agents, or morons that are just as good as zionist agents. Either way, they are of less than no help to my people's struggle.

What is happening is bad, what these "allies" are backing their threat with is so much worse than what is currently happening it can literally only come from a place of not even having been paying attention to the last decade of events playing out in the creeping annexation of Palestine, nevermind the full picture context of what is playing out.

The best help they can be is as voters for Harris and down ballot dems. As boring and in conflict with their fantasy of being in a big march like MLK or dictating the revolution from the bathroom on their phones like Marat as that is.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I share your frustration with the Democratic party, the Republican party, and even American politics as a whole. At least as much as I can, I don't have the same kind of lived experience as someone who's directly connected to victims of western Imperialism. I've only spent the last couple years learning about the real history of Palestine.

If you think the BDS Movement and the Uncommitted Movement are your enemies, I genuinely hope you reconsider. They are the spearhead of pro-palestinian support that has made massive gains in even just the last few months. The pressure is mounting. These kinds of non-violent protests for the liberation of people long oppressed is exactly the kind of protests MLK envisioned and practiced to create genuine change.

I first learned about Palestine from Hasan Piker, here he goes into what the Uncommitted movement in detail. I hope you give it a watch, I think it might change your mind