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When and why did democrats begin supporting fracking? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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I was shocked in the presidential debate that Harris gave staunch support for fracking. I was under the impression that democrats are against fracking, and remember people being critical of Fetterman for supporting it.

I also grew up in an area that was heavily impacted by the pollution from fracking. People who worked in the field were seen as failures of moral character who chose profits over the health of their children. How is it that both major parties are now in support of it? I feel like I must be missing a piece of the puzzle.

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[+] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -22 points 2 months ago (8 children)

What is even the difference beyond rhetoric between these two candidates? They both hate immigrants and Palestinians, love Israel and fossil fuels, and neither have a tenable plan to improve the economy for the working class. Don't let anyone give you a hard time about not voting for either.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One is a Russian asset intent on destroying America from within; the other is Kamala Harris. Your eyes must be getting real bad to not see that.

[+] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's crazy how liberals are still doing russophobia.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really, since it's now public knowledge that the entirety of Trump-positive media is bankrolled by the Kremlin.

[+] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The entirety? Regardless, what difference does it make if both candidates are arguing that they will carry out the same policies more effectively than the other? It's plain russophobia if you oppose a candidate for no discernable reason than alleged support of their campaign by Russia.

[–] taipan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same policies, my ass. Harris supports abortion rights, LGBT rights, more progressive tax policies, and has a stronger foreign policy strategy with respect to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, among many other policy positions that are superior to Trump's. On the other hand, Trump supports the far-right vision of Project 2025 and wants to impose ridiculously high tariffs on imported goods to sharply increase the cost of living for most Americans. Most Lemmy readers see right through your bothsidesism.

We criticize Russia-backed propaganda campaigns such as Tenet Media because they disinform voters to promote Trump, who is content with Ukraine being annexed by Russia. Crying Russophobia doesn't excuse the fact that Russia sees Trump as a tool to further Russian imperialism.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No she doesn't. The only issues to which she's explicitly committed is support for Israel and fracking.

[–] taipan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're lying, because Harris covered all of the policies I mentioned in her platform:

Restore and Protect Reproductive Freedoms

Vice President Harris and Governor Walz trust women to make decisions about their own bodies, and not have the government tell them what to do.

Donald Trump handpicked members of the United States Supreme Court to take away reproductive freedom – and now he brags about it. In his words, “I did it, and I’m proud to have done it.” He even called for punishment for women who have an abortion.

Since Roe v. Wade was overturned, Vice President Harris has driven the Administration’s strategy to defend reproductive freedom and safeguard the privacy of patients and providers. As Governor, Tim Walz led Minnesota to become the first state to pass a law protecting a woman’s right to choose following the overturning of Roe. Vice President Harris has traveled America and heard the stories of women hurt by Trump abortion bans. Stories of couples just trying to grow their family, cut off in the middle of IVF treatments. Stories of women miscarrying in parking lots, developing sepsis, losing the ability to ever have children again — all because doctors are afraid they may go to jail for caring for their patients. As President, she will never allow a national abortion ban to become law. And when Congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom nationwide, she will sign it.

Protect Civil Rights and Freedoms

As President, she’ll fight to pass the Equality Act to enshrine anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQI+ Americans in health care, housing, education, and more into law.

Cut Taxes for Middle Class Families

Vice President Harris and Governor Walz believe that working families deserve a break. That’s why under their plan more than 100 million working and middle-class Americans will get a tax cut. They will do this by restoring two tax cuts designed to help middle class and working Americans: the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit. Through these two programs, millions of Americans get to keep more of their hard-earned income. They will also expand the Child Tax Credit to provide a $6,000 tax cut to families with newborn children. They believe no child in America should live in poverty, and these actions would have a historic impact.

Unlike Donald Trump, Vice President Harris and Governor Walz are committed to ensuring no one earning less than $400,000 a year will pay more in taxes. They believe that we need to chart a New Way Forward by both making our tax system fairer and prioritizing investment and innovation. They will ensure the wealthiest Americans and the largest corporations pay their fair share, so we can take action to build up the middle class while reducing the deficit. This includes rolling back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, enacting a billionaire minimum tax, quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks, and other reforms to ensure the very wealthy are playing by the same rules as the middle class. Under her plan, the tax rate on long-term capital gains for those earning a million dollars a year or more will be 28 percent, because when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad-based economic growth and creates jobs, which makes our economy stronger.

Stand With Our Allies, Stand Up to Dictators, and Lead on the World Stage

Five days before Russia attacked Ukraine, she met with President Zelenskyy to warn him about Russia’s plan to invade and helped mobilize a global response of more than 50 countries to help Ukraine defend itself against Vladimir Putin’s brutal aggression. And she has worked with our allies to ensure NATO is stronger than ever.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Harris hasn't said any of that with her chest they way she committed to Israel and fracking the other night. There's barely any meat in this list anyway? Why did you even quote the Ukraine bit? On the point of reproductive rights in particular, you are Chalie Brown going for a football if you think there's anything there. The Democrats have a strong track record of not protecting abortion access federally and her campaign is doing the same old blackmail by reminding us of an allegedly looming national abortion ban. It's time to break the cycle.

[–] taipan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"Said any of that with her chest"? This isn't an Ariana Grande song. Do you know how ridiculous you sound, when Harris literally covered all of these issues in her platform, which I quoted because you are trying to pretend that she isn't "committed" to them?

Here's Trump's 2024 platform on the same issues:

6. Knowledge and Skills, Not CRT and Gender Indoctrination

Republicans will ensure children are taught fundamentals like Reading, History, Science, and Math, not Leftwing propaganda. We will defund schools that engage in inappropriate political indoctrination of our children using Federal Taxpayer Dollars.

5. Republicans Will End Left-wing Gender Insanity

We will keep men out of women’s sports, ban Taxpayer funding for sex change surgeries, and stop Taxpayer-funded Schools from promoting gender transition, reverse Biden’s radical rewrite of Title IX Education Regulations, and restore protections for women and girls.

4. Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life

We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments).

1. Rebalance Trade

Republicans will support baseline Tariffs on Foreign-made goods, pass the Trump Reciprocal Trade Act, and respond to unfair Trading practices.

Trump's platform does not mention Russia or Ukraine at all, which is not surprising considering that Russian state media employees are bankrolling pro-Trump propaganda. Trump refused to answer the question "Do you want Ukraine to win this war?" two times in the debate.

I'll take Harris's platform over Trump's platform any time, any day. You would have to be delusional or intentionally lying to claim that Harris's and Trump's policies are "the same".

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

During the debate, Harris made it clear that she supports Israel, fossil fuels, and tougher border policies much more strongly than Trump. That's a deal breaker.

[–] taipan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I showed clear evidence that Harris had much better policies than Trump on abortion rights, LGBT rights, taxation, and foreign policy with respect to Ukraine, and now you're trying to change the topic. Sure, I can play that game.

Trump has worse positions on Israel, fossil fuels, and border policies. All you have to do is look at what he said during the debate:

Israel

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But when she mentions about Israel all of a sudden -- she hates Israel. She wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech. She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers. She wanted to go to the sorority party. She hates Israel. If she's president, I believe that Israel will not exist within two years from now. And I've been pretty good at predictions. And I hope I'm wrong about that one. She hates Israel.

Fossil fuels

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: She wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania. If she won the election, fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one. Just to finish one thing, so important in my opinion, so, I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before. They took, when they took over, they got rid of it, started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up the roof. They immediately let these guys go to where they were. I would have been five times, four times, five times higher because you're talking about 3 1/2 years ago. They got it up to where I was because they had no choice. Because the prices of energy were quadrupling and doubling. You saw what happened to gasoline. So, they said let's go back to Trump. But if she won the election, the day after that election, they'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead, fossil fuel will be dead. We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar, where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out.

Border policies

DAVID MUIR: Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let's get back to your deportation proposal that the vice president has reacted to as well. President Trump, you called this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard. You say if things get out of control you'd have no problem using the U.S. military.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: With local police.

DAVID MUIR: You also said you would use local police. How would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? I know you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this. What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country?

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah. It is much higher because of them. They allowed criminals. Many, many, millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists. They allowed common street criminals. They allowed people to come in, drug dealers, to come into our country, and they're now in the United States. And told by their countries like Venezuela don't ever come back or we're going to kill you. Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down? You know why? Because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country. And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow -- and I think they probably did it because they think they're going to get votes. But it's not worth it. Because they're destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done. There's never been anything done like this at all. They've destroyed the fabric of our country. Millions of people let in. And all over the world crime is down. All over the world except here. Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their fraudulent statements that they made. Crime in this country is through the roof. And we have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime. And it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible.

DAVID MUIR: President Trump, as you know, the FBI says overall violent crime is coming down in this country

And there you have it. Harris leads on abortion rights, LGBT rights, taxation, foreign policy, energy, immigration, and many more issues.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I did not change any topic. The "positions" you found on Harris's campaign website are bogus and I already addressed that.

We all watched the same debate. Don't pretend you didn't notice how Harris wouldn't be outdone on Israel, the border, or fossil fuels. Whatever Trump said on these topics, Harris promised to do it harder and meaner. She was clearer on these points than she's been on anything in the past six years.

[–] taipan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What's bogus is you trying to ignore Harris's entire platform because it's clearly superior to Trump's platform. You're hoping that people don't compare the two platforms because anyone who is able to read can see that Harris has better policy positions across the board, including in abortion rights, LGBT rights, taxation, foreign policy, energy, and immigration.

In the debate, as I have shown in the parts that I quoted, Trump also claims that he "wouldn't be outdone" and would "do it harder and meaner" on the topics that you are pretending to care about. That is what people are expected to do in a debate. Even then, Trump lied about immigrants eating cats and dogs, while Harris acknowledged Palestinians' right to self-determination.

Not sure why you bother with Lemmy when your pro-Trump rhetoric is a better fit for Gab and Truth Social.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Harris is the VP now. She and her boss have a track record that's pretty close to Trump's on these issues and that should carry more weight than a campaign webpage. Also, Harris is notoriously non-committal in her speech (except on Israel), so she really went out of her way in the debate to make it clear that she'll be tougher on the border and do more fracking than Trump. That's the real Kamala.

And just so everyone is clear, Trump is also bad. Do not vote for Trump either.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well to start, one of them supports me having the same rights as everyone else while the other one wants me dead

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -1 points 2 months ago

I assure you that neither of these candidates or their parties cares if any of us live or die. Even if they claim to support your rights, they don't really mean it. Just look at the Democrat's track record on codifying Roe v. Wade into law. They're just blackmailing you into voting for them.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m saving this comment so I can make fun of it later.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work -2 points 2 months ago

What scenario are you waiting for that you think would allow you to make fun of my comment?

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Ok Vladimir.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One is a idiot thin-skinned grifter man child cult leader who doesn't care about anyone but themselves, and the other is Kamala Harris.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The vice president was a prosecutor who advanced her career by putting people in prison and fighting to keep them there in spite of court orders to reduce unconstitutional overcrowding. Trump's worst antics simply aren't nearly as demonic.

[–] Random123@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I believe you that harris is a piece of shit crook but holy shit that news article was so biased cant even tell if 100% of is real

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 1 points 2 months ago

What's wrong with the article? Here's an Atlantic article that covers Harris's role in the crisis for corroboration.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

demonic

Tipped your hand a bit there, next thing you know you'll be talking about "satanic" things and stealing adrenochrome from babies.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 0 points 2 months ago

Okay, tone-cop, what word would you have used instead to describe deliberately obstructing court orders to apply a specific remedy to a massive eighth amendment violation?

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 2 months ago

lol

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 2 months ago

Most people just lapring two party regime circle jerk. We got a generation to go before we get critical mass understanding that vote for either party is the vote [for] the regime.

They will keep looting unless the two party system is upset by people voting any third choice alternative as a FUCK U to the two parties.

But hey bro vote for my guy, trust me bro HOPE and CHANGE is coming after you vote for my guy bro... you are not [nazi or commie], vote for my guy