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submitted 3 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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[–] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a hard time accepting that everyone should have their own vehicle in the first place.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This entire post will age poorly if we ever transition out of this incredibly self-indulgent and wasteful period of human civilization.

We should have walkable neighborhoods, mass transit of gleaming efficiency, bike lanes as priority, we should be encouraging socializing and creating spaces for people to gather that aren't profit-driven, but with plans to create comfort and recreation to better the people and foster a sense of belonging to a community. It's absurd we all live in places with lots of people but have no sense of belonging to a community. This goes against literally millions of years of our own evolutionary history. We NEED community to function and have healthy minds.

I mean, it's not likely to happen. But maybe when the next great apocalyptic event happens the survivors can try to remake things with a little more planning. After the whole period of darkness and cannibalism of course.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

We should have walkable neighborhoods, mass transit of gleaming efficiency, bike lanes as priority, we should be encouraging socializing and creating spaces for people to gather that aren't profit-driven, but with plans to create comfort and recreation to better the people and foster a sense of belonging to a community.

Not everyone wants to be packed like sardines. That's the beauty of individualism. You might think this sounds like some sort of utopia, but to me this sounds like hell.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The suburban hellscape that is most residential coded zones is far, far more sardine-like than what I'm describing, which is an environment far more like many cities in Europe that evolved to be, and have been maintained as walkable cities. The reason you're repulsed by the idea of urban environments is specifically because you're used to American residential areas that are hard, brutal and packed next to busy highways and multi-lane avenues that are constantly packed with people trying to get to and from work, with huge parking lots that act like hot deserts in the sun, with sprawl and noise and pollution and no good reason to leave your sardine can because there's nowhere to get to within 30 minutes of walking except more sardine cans.

If a neighborhood is designed to be walkable, you will have condos and apartments and medium to high-density living spaces, sure, but you will have an entirely different aesthetic and atmosphere around it so it feels more welcoming, and encourages community.

If you're opposed to community entirely, that's your prerogative, there are still vast, vast tracts of land across the world you can live in and be left alone, and that's fine. My comment isn't addressing that lifestyle, because for MOST people, cities represent opportunity, safety and essential services. We can't look down at the vast bulk of humanity who want to live around other people just because you yourself are bothered by your own memories and experiences of city life.