this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2024
471 points (99.0% liked)

politics

19238 readers
2102 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 162 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The article is truly representative of a sleazy drama - and that's putting it nice. We learn that Oliver condemned the post:

Chase Oliver, the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee, condemned the since-deleted post.

That's great.

But then the LPNH responded - to him - their candidate leader, I stress... as follows:

The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire responded to Oliver’s statement, telling him to “f*** off” and “read any book on libertarianism.” They went on to call him a homophobic slur.

It's seemingly out of The Onion - except it's for real.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

read any book on libertarianism

I have a suggestion.

A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear. Bonus points because it's even about New Hampshire libertarians.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

American libertarianism is great. Most of them have vastly different ideas of what libertarianism is or should be, and none of those ideas work.

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

What you don't want to do whatever you want and pay no taxes but still want the government to supply you with infrastructure?

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago

Seconding this book recommendation. I started skim reading it a few months ago, and it was so entertaining it pulled me in.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hey hey, many of those dipshits moved into NH to try and take over the state because we already had slightly crazy politics.

Because NH has 400 stare representatives (and 24 more state senators), it’s easy to get morons elected in small towns. As with most libertarian “plans” though, it didn’t work for very long.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I always wonder why democrats don’t form a plan to take over Wyoming. It’s a very small state. Get together 100k people to move out there over the course of the next decade or so. It’s a lovely state too.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

From what I read, it seemed like the problem was more with libertariansthan it was with libertarianism.

Like, the type of person that would leave their homes to live in a town they read about online that promises a libertarian mecha… of course it’s gonna fail. I bet if you get similar demographics of dudes that support Bernie Sanders, that town would fail too.

I don’t doubt that Libertarianism would be terrible for 99% of people, and incredible for 1%, but I doubt it would fail this spectacularly.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The problem is that American Libertarians aren't libertarian. They're masquerading economic liberals.

The reason their government has failed and always will fail. Is because they are against government itself. All but the most dogmatic, ideological, and importantly antisocial anarchist and actual libertarians recognize the need for government and it's existence. They just believe it should be largely flat, answerable, and as much as possible based in consent. Even national/federal goverment is acceptable depending on structure and ability.

American Libertarians only support government that protects their personal privilege. And nothing else.

And while it's possible for any group to fail. No other group self sabotages so completely from the start.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Because the LP of NH isn't more than a bunch of bigots and racist hiding behind the LP name. It's like the worst people from every party decided to go and join it.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you want to know why it feels like that,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project

That may have contributed.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

O it %100 contributed to it.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh so, the libertarian party of....every state in the US

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Did you even read the article? No it's not like every LP in every state.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

...a bunch of bigots and racist...

It's like the worst people from every party decided to go and join it

Yep, just about sums up the Libertarian Party nation wide!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

They have not progressed since this incident