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[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It intentional semantic drift and has been happening for a very long time. They erode harsh terms with hyperbole and make normal positions seem extreme by stereotype and strawman. That's why I prefer specifying that I'm Mutualist rather than explain how the terms socialist/capitalist have drifted out of dichotomy or how the term anarchist and libertarian have become parodies of themselves.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Modern Libertariansm is ridiculous. Libertarianism is far better aligned with socialism (where the people do the work and most of the the benefit stays with the people) than it is with either communism (where the people do the work and most of the benefit goes to the government/plutocrats) or capitalism (where the people do the work and most of the benefit goes to the wealthy/oligarchs.) Modern Libertarians are extremist right wing capitalist stooges.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your definition of communism further proves the earlier point about semantic drift. All of these terms are problematic because of their histories in the past 200 years.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That is not a definition of communism. It is a reduction based on the definition. It is also perfectly representative of every modern communist regime.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a reduction based on the history of regimes that call themselves communist... You don't see a problem here? Maybe I'm just being pedantic but Marxian communism doesn't have anything in common with any form of government in history. It's more of an idealized state (state meaning condition, not polity). Nobody, apart from so-called primitive communist societies, can claim to be communist.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

... I'm just being pedantic ...

And trying to derail the conversation by distracting from my point which was that modern libertarians are extremist right wing capitalist stooges.