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Not just invidious, they've just de facto blocked video embedding:
If you're wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.
EDIT: This is related to my VPN I believe, but storefronts still aren't going to be happy if they can't rely on their storefronts working for everyone.
yo rainworld i used to have a friend that was a fan of that game
It's a 10/10 for me! Amazing game but definitely not for everyone
True
What happened?
I dont feel like i wanna say it on lemmy
I wasn't curious about your friend until this comment lmao. Cheers friend.
Alr enjoy your day
😥
aww, thanks!
-rain world
Professional hosting for business use is not hard, and fairly common even. But these make up a tiny fraction of YouTube videos, and they mostly post there to get organic growth and be suggested to people already watching YouTube.
Sure but it's really common to see embedded youtube videos on storefronts, and if storefronts en masse abandoned it that's one more piece of the market that youtube has lost.
They can't keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point. They're enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.
They can very much afford to lose a tiny amount of marketshare in exchange for a massive increase in ad and subscription revenue, is my point.
"Massive increase" I think needs a source.
And they rely on the network effect to be the de facto standard video hoster. Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they're enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.
The logic that they can "afford" to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.
Don't have one. Pure speculation. Much like yours, I assume? Unless you have a source to the contrary?
How often do you see professional videos on the trending page on YT?
Source for what? The network effect? I gave you a link, you can read.
And youtube is enshittifying.
These are both well-established effects. My sourcing is finished now. It beats your "pure speculation" unless you have something else you want to add.
This:
or this:
or this:
Yes, you've said that several times.
The fact that it exists is not evidence that it's taking place here.
LOL no.
Oh so you want sources for literally every tiny claim with no evidence that you've engaged at all, but you're sticking with "pure speculation" for your claims and you're fine with that? Just checking.
Bruh. You were the one asking for sources... I was simply establishing the fact that neither of us had them.
That's not how that works. I told you the point I had a problem with and wanted sourced, and you admitted it was pure speculation.
If you are skeptical about anything specific I'm saying, you can ask for the same thing. You didn't, you just said I hadn't sourced anything, which wasn't true, I gave you links so you could educate yourself, and since you're still confused on what any of it means, apparently you didn't do that. When I asked you what you wanted specifically sourced, you named everything, which is as pointless as naming nothing.
This is presumably because you don't actually care about sources, you were just embarrassed that you had to admit it was pure speculation and you wanted to project that back at me.
If you're actually curious to understand what I'm saying, you can ask a specific question, but you're not doing that. If you're just going to keep insisting that I'm pulling things out of my arse, you're wrong, but I won't keep replying.
LOL What? That's exactly how that works.
Right. The question is why you can't do the same.
I already did.
You linked to a general concept, and absolutely nothing about how that concept applies to the topic at hand.
LOL why won't you just admit you don't have any sources? This is so ridiculous. It's okay.
If I was embarrassed I wouldn't have admitted it at all. I probably would have accused you of not providing sources while sourcing random things I read about on Wikipedia while refusing any hint as to how they relate to the current conversation or back up my statements.
I've told you how the concepts apply, if you found it confusing you could ask. You didn't.
But you've admitted you're not actually interested in my answers, you just want to accuse me of pulling things out of my arse:
I don't know why I'd bother with someone whose only point here is to tear down whatever I'm saying. You don't even seem to have a position.
Youtube is now big enough for not caring about the network effect.
Capitalism is just fucked 🤷🏻🏴☠️
What? No, the network effect is why they have a dominant position. The network effect comes from their user base.
Enshittification is how platforms die, it's not a winning business model, it's just an outworking of capitalism's contradictions.
The way you wrote that shows you don't understand the principles at all.
I could explain further but you'd have to express interest.
Seems it's fixed now?
Could be, maybe it's intermittent, but the more times they try to lock this shit down and it stops working for storefronts, the more unreliable it becomes.
What percentage of visits can they afford to have this error happen before they seek alternatives? If it were my business and I didn't know how many customers were closing the store page because the video didn't play and they lost interest, I would be immediately looking for an alternative.
EDIT: Still broken for me. I can fix it by turning off my VPN, but storefronts are going to want to sell to everyone, including the VPN users.
is that a possible workaround? Also, a tip from my school trying to block YouTube (idk if it applies here) is that you can 'add to queue' to where it plays in the corner then there's a button to make it bigger.
Many companies use Vimeo for this.
I watch embedded videos all the time. Literally hundreds this weekend. Embedded is not “de facto blocked”.
Well I now can't unless I disable my VPN. Storefronts would probably like VPN users to be able to use their stores, in which case they might be more interested in an alternative.
rain world????
Rain world.