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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 161 points 1 month ago (5 children)

people should be reminded that posts like these aren't really critical of people for not taking the bus. they're critical of systems and planning that don't make you want to take the bus.

if the bus is always packed people will not want to ride it. that's not on you.

if the bus is unreliable, that's not on you.

if there's no bus or public transit that goes where you want to go out somewhere of a reasonable walking distance, that's not on you.

if where you're going is not walkable in the first place, then taking the bus is pointless since once you arrive you'd need a car anyway.

demanding change however is on you.

it's not like cars are awesome by the way. they're inefficient, pricy, troublesome, there's traffic, parking... it's stressful and it's deadly to boot. if people are not taking the bus, the city has work to do.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I'm critical of all the people driving over sized SUVs by themselves in NYC when I'm trying to get a loaded box truck though a gridlocked intersection. Even if the city instruction doesn't have mass transit, you do not need Escalade over a commuter car.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

yeah just because you're not riding a bus doesn't mean you should get around with a Gigantus Pollutinator 9000 or a private jet, obviously.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

An SUV in NYC is especially egregious. They could have taken the train from Yonkers, and used the bus/subway. You guys are the one city in the US that actually has decent mass transit.

If you actually live in the city, and own an SUV you are an idiot spending way too much on parking.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Sometimes being in my little car driving in NYC is more relaxing or faster. Most of the time taking public transportation takes the same amount of time as driving, so I'll pick driving so I don't have to be cold or hot while waiting or to deal with other people. The argument for making more public transportation faster, more frequent is a good one and would make more people use it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You guys are the one city in the US that actually has decent mass transit.

The DC metro is a lot nicer than the NYC subway.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Blame marketing (propaganda.) Our government has given control of our information networks to corporations and corporations use those channels to blast us with consumerist propaganda 24/7. People are taught that the type of car they drive defines who they are as a person so they do what they were taught and they buy a giant tank of a vehicle so that people will see them as dependable, manly, successful, outdoorsy, etc.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Valid complaint, but not really the focus of this post imo

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think (most) cars are awesome but want better public transit because there's way too many people who are terrible drivers.

If driving required licensing like an airplane pilot I'd still get one. And probably enjoy driving more because I could expect people to know how to zipper merge.

I just want people to learn how the fucking stop signs work.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

I lost my drivers license for a false positive drug test for two weeks. I took the bus to work, which was completely fine and no big deal. But in the morning and in the evening my bus was packed to the brim with high school children, which was easily the worst part of my day.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Semi solve by carrying passengers. Become the bus you wanna see.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Pfft. But for real. I'm getting this feeling this is not normal in USA. Meanwhile where I live people routi ely pick each other up on the way ti save o fuel and/or time.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Only for cost reasons, really, so it's only super common in poorer areas or among laborers (who pretty much universally get paid shit)

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Carpooling is totally a thing, but in my experience doing it for years, unless the people in the group were punctual and lived close enough, it never works out.

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

people have designed the systems you are crying about and people use the systems you are crying about. People make the systems and engage them, you cant keep crying about systems or nothing will change