If you don't retain some kind of actual ownership, they will not be allowed to use terms like "buy" or "purchase" on the store page button. I hope there aren't huge holes in this that allow bad actors to get around it, but I certainly loathe the fact that there's no real way to buy a movie or TV show digitally. Not really.

EDIT: On re-reading it, there may be huge holes in it. Like if they just "clearly tell you" how little you're getting when you buy it, they can still say "buy" and "purchase".

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[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

In the unlikely event of the discontinuation of the Steam network,” Valve reps have said, “measures are in place to ensure that all users will continue to have access to their Steam games.”

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If there is one think we should all have learned by now in this Era is that talk means nothing at all: there have to be hard contractual clausules along with personal punishment for those who break them or some kind of escrow system for money meant to go into that "end of life" plan for it to actually be genuine.

"Valve reps have said" is worth as much as the paper it's written on and that stuff is not even written on paper.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Except they have proven this so far to be accurate. Games that have long since been removed from sale are still downloadable for people who purchased them at the time. Which is more than others can say.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, as the guy falling from the top of the Empire State Building was overheard saying on his way down: "well, so far so good".

Or as the common caveat given to retail investors goes: past performance is no predictor of future results.

"So far" proves nothing because it can be "so far" only because the conditions for something different haven't yet happenned or it simply hasn't been in their best interest yet to act differently.

If their intentions were really the purest, most honest and genuine of all, they could have placed themselves under a contractual obligation to do so and put money aside for an "end of life plan" in a way such that they can't legally use it for other things, or even done like GoG and provided offline installer to those people who want them.

Steam have chosen to maintain their ability to claw back games in your library whilst they could have done otherwise as demonstrated by GoG which let you download offline installers - no matter what they say, their actions to keep open the option of doing otherwise say the very opposite.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

But the steam network is still around. When steam actually shuts down and no longer has the infrastructure to provide downloads for games, I have no idea what their plan is. They hypothetically could provide a way to remove the DRM, but I doubt that it's something the publishers of games would allow.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But we know that is only guaranteed for single player Valve games

And until it happens that’s meaningless

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Blame devs for not creating a system for custom servers, not valve who's games do have those systems.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How do you host an Artifact server?

How do we update it to work on unsupported (read future) systems?

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You got me on the first one. Artifact is definitely an exception to what I said.

As for the 2nd question, you emulate old systems.

[–] Deway@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

And yet, they always refused to put it in writing in the EULA. Wonder why.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They can still delete your account and cut you off from your games.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's even more basic than that: if there's no escrow with money for that "end of life" "plan" and no contractual way to claw back money for it from those getting dividends from Valve, then what the "Valve representatives" said is a completelly empty promised, or in other words a shameless lie.

Genuine intentions actually have reliable funding attached to them, not just talkie talkie from people who will never suffer in even the tinyest of ways from not fulfulling what they promised.

In this day and age, we've been swamped with examples that we can't simply trust in people having a genuine feeling of ethical and moral duty to do what they say they will do with no actual hard consequences for non-compliance or their money on the line for it.

PS: And by "we can't trust in people" I really mean "we can't trust in people who are making statements and promises as nameless representatives of a company". Individuals personally speaking for themselves about something they control still generally are, even in this day and age, much better than people acting the role of anonymous corporate drone.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Boo hoo, someone say too many slurs on the forums?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Eh... I was just showing that you don't actually own your games as access to them can be taken from you, that's all.