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I guess they really want Israel to stop!

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bombing other people isn't fucking self defense....

I have no issues with funding actual defense mechanisms like the iron dome and whatever. Small munitions, bulletproof vests, whatever you need to DEFEND your citizens I'm cool with. When it turns outward and you start "military operations" against other countries that's when I say good fucking luck on your own.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I have issue with supporting an apartheid state. I think aid should be conditioned on Israel granting full citizenship to Palestinians.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You want to give them even more power over Palestinians?

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The opposite, granting Palestinians citizenship allows them to potentially control the government.

Compare that to any point in our lifetime, where Israel has been their defacto government: Palestinians must report each birth, each change of address to a "foreign" government. If they want to leave their country, they must seek permission from the "foreign" government. If they want to visit their family across town, they must present identification to a "foreign" government.

Citizenship ends apartheid.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Ah, I missed the "full" part. Yes, that would be great, but I don't doubt that they'd still be treated as second-class citizens.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That would make their version of parliament roughly half Palestinian. More if the right of return was generally enforced. (Just allowing them to move back into the country) So the resulting country would actually be pretty fair to them as long as the apartheid part really is gotten rid of.