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[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It's impossible to appeal to everyone. 6 in 10 Americans believe Israel has a right to continue it's fight with Hamas. 6 in 10 Americans are also sympathetic to both sides of the conflict. The Dems are attempting to thread that needle. And while I don't agree with the unconditional support of Israel. The US is heavily invested in partnership with Israel and foreign policy has always shifted painfully slow. Despite all the death in the world, the US is involved in the least death it has been involved in since the WWII. We've been constantly at war since WWII. And shifting from the US being constantly at war to only arming our allies is at least some improvement.

One things certain, if Trump wins authoritarians will be emboldened worldwide and the amount of death will increase much much more, including here.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Forget appealing to everyone, democratic party policy fails to appeal even to democratic party supporters: https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/5/8/support-for-a-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-increases-across-party-lines

Given these polls, one would think that the democratic party wouldn't be so supportive of israel, the far-right party in charge there, and its campaign of genocide, yet the party keeps going full throttle all-in on support. Democrats like to use the excuse of their hands being tied, but their hands aren't tied here. In fact, if democrats did nothing it would be an improvement, because they're actually putting in the extra effort to increase funding to israel and vetoing UN resolutions against them.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I generally agree, but I suspect that every politician that attends national security meetings is constantly being told that Israel is a necessary partner. Combine that with a strong Christian and Jewish Israel lobby and even a good person may recognize that they can't gain power to do all the things they want and also oppose funding Israel at the same time.

It's the paradox of political power, it's why if I went back into politics I would do activism instead of elected office, with activism you have the freedom to put your energy where you want without compromise. In politics compromise is fundamental, even necessary, even when dealing with unquestionably immoral things. Personally I think being afraid to spend your political capital means you have failed, but id also probably lose if I ran for office.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes the Dems need to win but you're giving them too much credit. We don't need to make them sound competent with "they're threading the needle", because they aren't. Doing that will give people a false sense of security that there are adults in the room. At best, the voters are the adults, not the Dems.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you met voters? Pretending like voters are any better would be pretty hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 1 month ago

Doesn't that explain what our parties have to offer though?