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[–] koper@feddit.nl 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Just because the US government likes to funnel trillions to their military industrial complex instead of healthcare, doesn't mean the rest of NATO has to do the same. Even without the US, NATO already spends more on defense than Russia and China combined, even before the invasion of Ukraine.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

USA already spends more on healthcare than Europe does, they just get worse results and less healthcare per dollar. The US would be able to afford to spend even more on weapons if they got their shit together and de-privitized their healthcare system.

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most of the EU has missed the target GDP spend by a significant margin for decades. The failure to penalize the annexation of Crimea and the EU's almost wholesale inability to provide material to Ukraine without compromising their own defensive postures can be traced heavily to this funding failure.

Obama's soft stance on Russia was certainly a large part of our current situation, but Merkel and the overly pacified EU were major contributors as well.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The 2 percent of GDP target is imaginary. They made it up, in no small part because of lobbying from the defense industry. There is no reason for NATO to spend so much more than all other countries combined.

Stopping Russia should have been done through economic and diplomatic means. No amount of NATO bombs or tanks would have stopped the invasion. It only would have fueled the flames and given legitimacy to Russia's claimed insecurity. Economic power is much stronger than military sabre rattling. The EU is founded on that exact principle and it's the reason why it's still together.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

The 2 percent of GDP target is imaginary.

The target was set so that no country would be able to join NATO and then just let everyone else pay for everything. You contribute to the common defense or you GTFO.

We can bicker about 2% being too high or too low and whether the target should have been adjusted Post Cold War but any argument that some target isn't necessary is just silliness.

No amount of NATO bombs or tanks would have stopped the invasion.

Oh I'm fairly certain that NATO military power would have stopped the invasion in the first 24 hours. A single flight of F-35s would have made those original Russian convoy's cease to exist à la the Highway of Death from 1991.

Even now NATO military power could substantially end the ground war in Ukraine before the end of the month.

It only would have fueled the flames and given legitimacy to Russia’s claimed insecurity.

So what? NATO didn't do it and there's STILL an ongoing war with a casualty toll well over a million and millions more displaced.

Economic power is much stronger than military sabre rattling.

Then the EU should have flexed them in 2014. They didn't and here we are.