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That was really skillful driving.
It really wasn't. The only reason he got sideways was because he tried using his brakes too much. The driver got lucky. The one thing he did do right was keeping his front wheels pointing the direction he was sliding.
When sliding and starting to go sideways at all, it's time to lay off the brakes. They will only make it worse.
*edit- Just wanted to add that I'm speaking from a lot of experience. Commercial drivers license, 15 years of driving fire engines, tankers, and ladder trucks in all weather. Plus my side job is delivering propane during the winter. I've slid on ice while carrying around nearly 3,000 gallons of liquid pressurized propane. That gets your butt to pucker.
I worked yard and now work office around propane, I fucking bet.
When I did diesel driving in a smaller truck myself and about 1k gallons of diesel slid down ~160 ft of mud bill because some jackass left their fucking throw mat out before the rain started, it cmgor covered in mud and when my tire hit it I lost all traction and shit went literally sideways from there
Scariest however many seconds that was in my fucking life, I realized almost immediately I had 0 control over what was happening until I hit some flat land, which I prayed gave me enough time to stop before going over into the dry riverbed, likely flipping
It's all good, I hit a rock at the bottom going about 15mpg and put a big ass dent in my bumper is all!
So you're saying all I need is an icy road and some liquid propane?
Does this pay well? Sounds like an interesting side hustle.
Great for a side job in my neck of the woods. I make about $27 an hour. You'll need at least a class b commercial license with air brake. Then you need a tanker and a haz mat endorsement, but those two are stupid easy to get.
Drive to a spot, pull a hose, fill a tank, and go to the next one, mostly.
Sheeesh. Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today.
For sure, I bet they received a round of applause for pulling off that save.
It really isn't. Stop locking up the brakes.
But I'm prepared to be downvoted by 'experts' who have almost never actually driven in the snow.
The driver got the bus and the people in it down an icy slope, and nobody got harmed.
I call that success.
I too managed not to kill a bunch of people through my ineptitude today! Take that school counselor who said I had no useful skills at all.
Yes, but skillful is a different thing entirely
"Task failed successfully"
It’s incredibly skilful and It’s not the correct thing to do.
Longer wheelbase vehicles don’t rotate quite as quickly so you have a lot more time to correct before things go haywire. They finally started to get the hang of the brakes and manually pulsing them near the end. At the beginning every time he locked up the brakes it just rotated more.
ABS doesn’t really help here because it works by a difference in speed between the wheels. If they’re all locked up then there is no difference.
Correct, this would be a job for ESP which has more input data, like steering angle, and can brake the wheels individually. This bus does not have it.
How is a psychic going to help?!?!!
Do they make the brake lights flicker faster?
Now I want a steering angle reading from a psychic
“Do you have an uncle named Euler?”
So the Anti-Lock Brakes don't work because they are locked up?
On large super slick surfaces ABS doesn’t really work. It might pulse for a second or so but eventually all the wheels stop moving and the system thinks you stopped even though you’re very much still sliding.
ABS is usually fairly loud and you can feel it pulse the pedal. If you’re on ice and that stops happening, then chances are you locked up all the tires and you should let up and reapply. Repeat as necessary until you actually stop.
ABS usually works okay in winter because your car isn’t entirely on a sheet of ice and there is some variance in the road surface beneath all the tires with differing friction levels.
Yeah, this has been my experience. I've got ABS on my current car but in winter the main advantage they provide is letting me know when it's time to pump the brakes if I need to come to a stop. The times I haven't pumped, let's just say I was lucky that no one else was going through that intersection at the time.
I suspect they are tuned to avoid locking up the wheels in conditions other than ice/slick snow and the pulse is too quick for the tires to get traction when it releases.
Yep if all the wheels are locked up it just thinks you are stationary, ABS only kicks in if there is a difference like it front wheels lock but back wheels are rolling. Smarter systems (like on bikes) would also monitor motion.
Clearly not his first ice rodeo..
Maybe not a good thing if he regularly rides sideways.
Don't kinkshame.
He's probably feeling deja vu.
Stupid driving
Some people are skillfully stupid.
Unlike me. I'm just stupid with no skills. Back in 2003, I pressed the preheat button on my convection oven. It caught fire.
Yep. That's the extent of my cooking experience.
Yeah I'd pull over and wait for the sander. Hopefully there's one.
Pull over on what? There was no shoulder.
Look left
The immediate left is the lane of oncoming traffic (you can see this late in the video looking ahead). To the left of the oncoming trafffic lane is a meter or so of grass, then a drop off to a ditch. You can see the left tall grass early in the video.
Holy fuck it’s my shoulder!