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[–] JustAnOrdinaryCreep@lemmy.ml 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Would be funny only if Mohammad Salah was aware that Egypt wasn't always inhabited by Arabs, but by lots of different people and ethnicities. Arab Muslims just conquered and colonized Egypt, they just colonize differently than Europeans.

[–] Birbatron@slrpnk.net 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As an Egyptian the sheer ignorance of this comment is absolutely stunning.

It's impressive

[–] JustAnOrdinaryCreep@lemmy.ml -2 points 12 hours ago

Keep on being appalled, its on vogue these days.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The Muslims conquered land and replaced its government, they did not murder and replace their entire population. This is why countries like Somalia are filled with black people who are Muslims and not Arabs.

Mohamed Salah has Egyptian ancestry. He is not a random Arab Muslim claiming that Egypt was Arab.

Settler colonization and replacing everything with 'superior white people' is a rather modern European tradion

[–] JustAnOrdinaryCreep@lemmy.ml 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

To colonize doesn't exclusively mean to murder and entirely replace a population.

But keep on putting everything except European conquest and colonisation into perspective, you're good at it.

[–] Birbatron@slrpnk.net 5 points 17 hours ago

There's a difference between colonialism and conquest. Conquest was much much more common in the past than colonialism. Before modern European colonialism, the only people who had made colonial efforts had been the Greeks (with small city colonies in places like Libya, for example), and the Norse, with their colonization of Greenland and their attempt to colonize what is today Newfoundland. Otherwise, the rest was conquest. There's a significant difference between the two.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

There are multiple forms of colonialism. The term settler colonialism' is relatively new.

Settler colonialism is a logic and structure of displacement by settlers, using colonial rule, over an environment for replacing it and its indigenous peoples with settlements and the society of the settlers.

Practically every example you will find is Europeans getting on a boat and killing natives. The most famous example is Manifest Destiny also known as America.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Is there a time period I could research for when Arab Muslims conquered Egypt?

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_conquest_of_Egypt

It was pretty quick, just 639 to 642. The western half of the Roman Empire had already collapsed and the eastern half wasn't doing much better.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago

Thank you for the reference!

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Iirc it was the ~~Abbasid~~ Rashidun Caliphate that was the first Muslims to take over Egypt. The ~~1000~~ years prior or so, it'd been Roman territory (Byzantine after the fall of Western Rome, but same difference).

Edit: My memory was shakey and I appreciate the correction.

[–] Birbatron@slrpnk.net 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate some 1400 years ago, It had been a Roman Province for I believe just under 700 years.

Egypt's first major power since the Hellenic Lagid (Ptolemaic) Dynasty was the Later Fatimid Caliphate (The Earlier one was in Tunisia). The Fatimids were a highly underrated (both by westerners, because they aren't ancient, and by us Egyptians, because they followed a different sect of Islam which most consider heretical) golden age for Egypt, they established Cairo, and along with it one of the oldest operating universities on Earth, and were probably the most tolerant state of their time, they were Shia Muslims ruling over a majority Sunni and Christian Population, but Unlike the Safavids in Persia (who forcefully converted a major portion of their population to Shiism and were much more radical than the Fatimids). The cultural renaissance that occured during their period caused accelerated arabization in Egypt as more and more people started to speak Arabic since that was the language of the new cultural powerhouse of the region.

We do not talk about al Hakim.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Thank you for the correction! I always seem to misremember which Caliphate was when.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

Thank you for the reference!