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[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Never said that scientists weren't leaving the US. And I did say that China created massive economic growth, I am aware that they were able to pull 800mm people out of poverty, with capitalism. Also never said I thought China was going to collapse. It is also easy to look up the people on Chinese parliament and see who they happen to be, btw. You can do it yourself, but I know you hate engaging with data, and actual research. What you have formed as your reality is all of reality. Also, outside of the chinese scientists that cold war fear-mongering are driving out, the US is, over all, gaining scientists, and in many fields, in STEM in general, the US actually has a glut of PHDs. Also, a lot of the lack of educated professionals, claimed by places like tech corps, is questionable, at best. Much of that is capitalists creating a false scarcity, for numerous reasons. I could post data about that, but, since the CCP didn't publish it, I guess it isn't real.

So, not only do you have to fall back on a fallacy, but you have to create a whole narrative of things I never said, nor implied. You did the reactionary thing, where you hear something you don't like, and automatically create a whole dialogue, that never happened, in your head, to secure your position.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

I am aware that they were able top pull 800mm people out of poverty, with capitalism.

This is definitely true: they took advantage of foreign capitalists to help them quickly develop their productive forces and catapult themselves from a nation of illiterate agrarian serfs to one of the most technologically advanced states with the world’s largest productive capacity. The crucial point is that the Communist party did this with eyes wide open, and never allowed the foreign or domestic capitalists wrest control of the state. This is evidenced by the state recently popping the real estate bubble and leaving capitalists to eat their losses.

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“We must adhere, to the very end, the belief that housing is for living in, not for speculation,” China’s Housing and Urban-Rural Development Minister Ni Hong said at a press briefing in Beijing on Saturday. “The government guarantees basic housing needs […].”

In contrast, in 2008 the US government saved the banks that had handed out known-bad mortgages, sacrificing the homeowners who’d been given those known-to-be-unpayable loans.