this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2024
671 points (97.7% liked)

Science Memes

10726 readers
3116 users here now

Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!

A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.



Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.


Research Committee

Other Mander Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Practical and Applied Sciences

Memes

Miscellaneous

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Every aspect of our globalised and industrialised world is causing harm. Veganism is about reducing the harm we're responsible for as far as possible and reasonable. Renouncing honey is easy. So it's possible and reasonable. No vegan thinks they're responsible for zero suffering or even zero dead animals, we're simply trying to reduce the number as best as we can without starving ourselves.

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But if honey is cultivated in a way that's better for the bees than other sources of sugar, wouldn't using honey be more logical for vegans?

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 hours ago

That argument does hold water but it would never provide enough honey for the market. It would necessarily require a vast reduction in the demand for honey to allow sustainably sourced honey to meet that demand.

[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

In a perfect world I think this could be true. Small scale backyard beekeeping with native species, where I only take the surplus the bees themselves don't use, where queens are left alone and drones are allowed to reproduce in their own pace. The problem is: That's not how it's done on the industrial scale at all. So even if you had such a bee utopia in your backyard and could replace all your sugary needs with that, as long as the well being of bees is of interest to you you'd probably still refrain from buying products that have honey in them. In a capitalist society companies will always use the cheaper stuff, and that comes almost exclusively with massive animal exploitation.