The difference with ADHD, especially untreated ADHD, and the idea of "sometimes you have to force yourself to do something" is that, as a person with ADHD, trying to force myself to do stuff, without the assistance of medication, can often be a bit like trying to nail jello to the wall.

It might work for a short time, but eventually, it'll be laying on the floor, not doing what you want it to do.... Much like me.

The paralysis is very real and very strong. The contrary feelings fighting eachother in your head, one voice saying how important it is and that you need to do it, another that's breaking down the task into every motion required, so one job becomes a quintillion individual steps, which makes you feel overwhelmed and anxious at even the thought of trying to do the job, and another voice berating you for being a lazy fuck who can't even do the most simple shit, like get off the couch and do the thing.

In the end you just feel horrible, both about the thing you should have done and about your worth as a person, leading to depression, which exacerbates the issue further.

It's a cycle of violence that most ADHD people have suffered with for their entire life.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Well thanks for confirming that I've had undiagnosed ADHD for my entire life.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know. I am diagnosed adhd and untreated training your willpower and your self control is possible. It requires dedication and finding what works right for you. For me I use extreme scheduling, I wake up at the same time every day and sleep at the same time, every meal same time. As soon as I know I need to do something I immediately right it down, dishes cleaning everything is scheduled. It took years but it’s also been working for years. Start small force yourself to do small things. It is harder than it is for a neurotypical but that’s the burden we bare. Best you can do is deal with it using medication, therapy and mindfulness. You are more then your serotonin levels you don’t need to enjoy something to do it. You don’t even need to be engaged. The neurotypical secret is most the things they do they half ass, don’t worry about perfection just do. Another thing I see adhd people have trouble with is trying to multi task all the time. Don’t it’s a trap your brain isn’t ment for context switching that much. You can modulate yourself a lot better then you think you can. It’s just hard but that’s doesn’t mean it isn’t worth doing

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

My work doesn't afford me to be focused on a single task until completion. That's the nature of the job I have, and there's nothing that I can do, nor anything my manager can do about that.

Forcing myself into rigorous scheduling is a trap for my mind. If a task takes longer than expected (which is frequent because I'm also very time blind), then I feel like I'm running behind and I have to rush to catch up. If something takes less time than expected, I end up in the mental trap of "I don't need to do x until y time" so I go do something else, and that distraction usually puts me behind my schedule, back to the first problem.

I end up constantly panicked because I'm running behind all the time. At the end of the day, though I may have completed everything, and done so in a reasonable timeframe, the only emotion that lingers is the feeling of disappointment in myself, that I couldn't keep up with the schedule.

That feeling leads to depression, which leads to me giving up on the entire system, after skipping it for several weeks and being "several weeks behind" on everything; and that leads to further depression.

If your scheduling thing works for you, awesome, I'm glad you found something that works for you, for the reasons I've stated and so many more, it does not work for me.

However, I recognise that you're saying this because you found what works for you, and it's brought so much order to the chaos that is normal for your mind from before; and you want to help others find the same happiness you have using this method. That's fine, and I hope your comment helps someone. I'm not that someone. I appreciate what you're trying to do here regardless.

I have my own solution now, and it's working quite well for me. My doctor and I built the therapy that I use to maintain order in the chaos of my life and mind, and I recognize that my therapy isn't going to work for others. Which is why I'm not saying what it specifically involves. I will say that medication is part of it. It works for me, and if anyone wants to pursue something similar, they should talk with their doctor about what therapy might be right for them.

I won't tell you that your methodology doesn't work, it clearly does. It works for you.

The only point I'm trying to make here is that, though it may work for you, it may not work for others, and they will have to find a different solution and/or therapy for themselves which works for them.

There is no universal solution for ADHD. For some it can be managed with mindfulness, scheduling, and a force of will, and little more. Others may need assistance in the form of gadgets, widgets, and thingamajigs (maybe fidget things? IDK)... Others may only need a small amount of medication to manage it, and others may need multiple medications before they see the results they're after.

All of these methods of therapy are valid for the people that benefit from them. Most of them won't work for most ADHD people, they'll have to find which one is going to work for them, and it's likely that one or more will work, they'll just have to figure out which one is the best for them by working with their doctor to figure it out. Hopefully that doctor is a psychiatrist with a specialty in ADHD; but I digress.

I've tried most of what you suggest and it did not work for me. That's fine. It works for you and I'm happy for that. The fact that I couldn't use that method to overcome my challenges, doesn't, and shouldn't imply that I'm somehow worse for it, or that I lack willpower, or that I can't make the hard choice or make the sacrifice to make it work. I'm easily one of the most willful people I know, even before I started my current therapy. The condition is simply more complex than a matter of having the willpower to overcome it. That may work for some, like yourself; or it may work for short periods of time, like it did for me; or it may not work at all for others. Everyone is different.