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[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 37 points 2 months ago (5 children)

This is a shame, I always thought Linux was supposed to be an International collaboration, hate to see it caught up in this bullshit political agenda.

[–] Midnight@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Political agenda is a funny euphemism for imperialist invasion and genocide.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gee i'm glad israeli maintainers are being blocked as well.

[–] Midnight@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago

I'm all for sanctioning them too. Economic sanctions are the bare minimum we should be doing to genocidal authoritarians.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

I totally think them invading Ukraine is fucked up too but I also think the Israel situation is messed up too and would you be against someone maintaining code just because they are from Israel?

That would be wrong. Linux is supposed to be about more than political alignments its supposed to be a collaborative effort its always been about that.

This is wrong and its super wrong they don't tell anyone what compliance they are following or who issued it to them which is also supposed to be against what open source is about.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago

this is the genocide you must be referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Does invading your neighbor count as international collaboration? Not that all Russian people can be held directly responsible for the actions of their government.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

@theunknownmuncher The US has been involved in probably 300 regime changes throughout the world, has invaded many countries, including those that we were not affiliated with. Russia invades a neighboring country when we install a leader that is going to allow us to put missiles on their border. I really hate to see political hegemony get in the way of a good collaborative effort, we all suffer for it if we allow this.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (27 children)

The US has been involved in probably 300 regime changes throughout the world, has invaded many countries, including those that we were not affiliated with.

Absolutely fair point. I agree with you on this portion of your comment.

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[–] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

there is simply no meaningful response to this

no matter whether you think russia is justified in invading ukraine or not, if russians get banned from the kernel bc russia invaded ukraine, yankees have to get the boot as well

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago (9 children)

You do realize that the US has invaded far more countries than Russia has, do burgerlanders have no self awareness at all?

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 13 points 2 months ago

@yogthos @theunknownmuncher I am in the US and I realize this. There was a funny meme a while back about look how aggressive Russia is, they put their country all around our military bases. Unfortunately there is a lot of truth in that. What other country has military bases throughout the world?

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[–] lily33@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

I'm sure removing these maintainers would be of great help to the Ukrainian war effort...

More seriously: We need to help Ukraine more. But this doesn't do that. It just hurts a bunch of people (both the maintainers, and the people using their code) for no benefit whatsoever.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

The biggest help the west could've done for Ukraine was to fuck off when the Istanbul negotiations were happening two months into the war.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

100% agree with you! Like I said, I don't think we can hold all Russian people directly responsible for the actions of their government.

I wish for an ideal world where politics could stay out of Linux, but this is extremely tricky and cannot be treated black and white. Labeling things as "political" and then crying to keep "politics" out of things is often used as a weapon for exclusion, for example by sexuality or race, and I think exclusion should be anathema for Linux and open source projects.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago

Aside from the fact that it's pretty insane to suggest to kick someone off a project for no reason other than their nationality (the article doesn't say any of these maintainers supported the invasion or had any ties with the government), even if these people actively supported the government, as far as kernel development is concerned... I don't really care? If their contributions are good then I want their patches to be merged. Tor was made by the US government, which I in no way condone, but I still use Tor.

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I agree to this. I was literally just in the shower thinking how Linux, the space station, and the Olympics are the only times we as humans come together to collaborate

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 12 points 2 months ago

@secret300 The project to discover elements 119 and 120 which previously were a US/Russia collaboration also put on hold. All of humanity moves backwards when we fight, nothing is gained.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Banning CFCs went pretty well too

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[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

You know that Russia wasn't able to compete in the Olympics or Paralympics this year, right? The individual athletes weren't banned however, but they had to compete under a neutral banner and weren't in the parade of nations.

Edit: I should have added, was disgusted because Israel were allowed to compete. Huge double standard there.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

No it was code started by Linus that got huge.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (17 children)

"propaganda"? Oh. You mean like Russia started a full blown unprovoked war with a peaceful nation? That "propaganda"?

Sucks others got caught in the crosshairs, but that's just what happens when your authoritarian government launches unprovoked wars and gets sanctioned.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Never ask a dronie how gullible they are, they'll tell you.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

And never ask why the US has over 800 external military bases, while all other countries combined have less than 20.

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