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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You misinterpreted what I said.

If we stopped supporting Israel, we'd stop burning the fuel we use to support them. Our support for Israel requires burning fossil fuel. We should stop doing that.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I understand the fallacy, thanks.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did I say "Ignore A" though? I just meant to highlight the contradiction.

Also, your link clearly says:

At COP28, the Biden administration pledged $3 billion to the Green Climate Fund but it is up to Congress to appropriate the funding. In the past two fiscal year budgets, Congress has appropriated only $1 billion annually for climate finance. While the U.S. Development Finance Corporation may be able to increase the level of funds mobilized, it will still not come close to the $11.4 billion mark. In addition, it’s not clear whether the U.S. can meet the $3 billion in funding for adaptation as part of a global pledge by developed countries to collectively double their adaptation finance by 2025.

Looks like we're not getting A. But! If we stopped wasting money burning fuel for Israel, we could meet those goals!

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's one part of the article, yes. And your last claim requires a citation.

But! If we stopped wasting money burning fuel for Israel, we could meet those goals!

Again, I understand the fallacy. I trust you will amend your previous statements? "Billions for climate change"?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Again.

If something is worse than the problem currently being discussed, then

The problem currently being discussed isn’t that important at all.

I. Didn't. Say. This.

I haven't said that. I am not saying that. I don't know why you keep fucking accusing me of saying it.

I trust you will amend your previous statements? “Billions for climate change”?

Sure sounds like there's only one billion per year. Billion.

So, sure. Let's say 1 billion per year for climate change. Compare that to 17.9 billion in the past year for Israel.

The priorities are fucked. That doesn't mean I'm using the “not as bad as” fallacy, that means I'm highlighting how we could be spending a whole hell of a lot more on climate change. I just want the money spent on Israel to be spent on climate instead.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I understand the fallacy and what you said. The article seems to report more than 17.9 billion in total. Now it sounds like the goal posts are shifting.

Thanks for the discussion.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You asked me to amend what I said.

I did, and because I did, you accuse me of moving goal posts. What??

I hate this website.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Your original complaint (spending more on Israel than climate change) was at least an order of magnitude or two off from what is actually going on, and the "millions" part was easily disproven. Confronted with that, your new complaint (to the same ends) is now the time span under which these sums are dedicated, no longer the actual amount, despite that being satisfied now. I know what that sounds like.

Did you find a source that proves we could meet our climate goals if we didn't fund Israel?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's still an order of magnitude more support for Israel than climate, which still supports my point about the administration's priorities.

I doubt we could meet our goals if we simply transferred Israel's funding to climate, but I never claimed that.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No it isn't (math) and yes you did (quoted).

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

17.9 billion is an order of magnitude higher than 1 billion. Do you know how orders of magnitude work?

Also... you didn't quote anything? Here's what I said:

I’m under the impression that it would be a lot easier to improve things if the billions spent supporting Israel were instead spent on climate change mitigation.

Easier. We do have to stop supporting Israel to meet our climate goals, but that alone will not be enough. We need to do way more than that. If I miscommunicated that I apologize.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mmk

Edit: I'm not sticking around to discover how these arguments evolve again and again.