When given a choice between a millitary industrial neoliberal with a rainbow voting base and a fascist who is one elon musk golf session away from banning HRT, the best option is certainly not to refuse to play out of protest
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Remember: the only people who say this want to see Trump win. You can vote with your conscience all you want, but it's only mathematically possible for only one of two parties to get elected.
If third parties or independents actually wanted a shot, they'd put in the work outside of elections, building coalitions and locally from the ground up.
That's probably the dumbest take I have read yet. If I wanted trump to win, I would vote for him.
Your motivation doesn't matter, only the result of your action.
That's a nihilistic argument. The result of human action is dying. If I had children, they will die one day regardless of what I do, regardless of what their other parent does, regardless of what their extended family does, regardless of what their teachers do, regardless of what society does.
And, yet, intentions matter. Someone voting third party because that's what they believe in is not an immoral intention that destroys the universe.
Why yes, I am a nihilist. I'm a nihilistic hedonist who chooses to value all types of human happiness the most. It's utilitarian at its core, but I also don't believe in certainty about anything. We can only pick the best option from the limited information we have, and I believe the best option is that which allows people to live the fullest lives. This involves making our short time on this earth as full as possible.
I don't think the person is making a moral error in the decision to vote 3rd party, but in refusing to accept the likely reality. It might not even be a moral error that leads to their stubbornness. They may have been taught something that prevents them from changing their mind.
I don't say "it doesn't matter" because I wish to blame them. I have no faith in those value judgements holding much power. I'm saying that on a mechanical level, the outcome of this vote will be one option or another. We can believe whatever we want about the world, but the world will simply do what it does. It has no reason to conform to our understanding of it.
Not adjusting our thinking to fit reality will keep us from making the best choices. I want progress, not the belief that I'm making progress. The desire only points to results.
They are all so against it but have no problem voting for it. It's disgusting really. And they have the nerve to try make me look like the bad guy in this thread. There's a bunch of shitty people here.
You're not a "bad guy." You just refuse to accept reality. A fool is not a villain, but they can cause comparable damage.
The reality is that humans are going to keep performing actions which limit their own survival.
True 😞
Just think if everyone voted for what's right and not because someone online is calling them a fool if they vote different.
Obviously you believe I'm not voting for what I think is right, except I actually am. I'm not Harris' biggest fan and thought she was a mid Senator, but she was probably the conservative dem I would've been the least upset about in the 2020 primary. She's far better than Biden, who only beat out the actually billionaires in my ranking.
On top of that, she manages to be the best option for president on the ballot in my state.
I despise the green party for focusing so exclusively on the presidency. It makes me think they aren't serious about accomplishing anything outside of thoughts and prayers. On top of that, Stein is shit as an individual politician and my view of her worsens with every run.
The only other left wing 3rd party is the openly tankie party, and I'm not big on those that lend support to empires for simply not being American. I'm not voting for RFK Jr., Capitalists, or Homophobes, so Harris is actually the best choice in my view.
The president shouldn't be as powerful or important, and quite frankly, we've been more successful working within the Democratic party than outside of it. The 2 party system will not go away without election reform done by working within the parties. It's shit democracy, but the only right thing to do is play with the cards we're dealt.
Wow. So brave. Watch out, don't cut yourself on all that edge