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I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
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this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2024
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Pretty sure people are gonna die regardless of which genocidal wacko is elected.
then might as well elect someone who will do good things in other sectors instead of removing medicaid and deregulating industries
People are going to die no matter what. It'll be different amounts though. One of the two has called for Israel to "finish the job" and constantly talks about how he likes what they're doing. The other condemns it, but is criticized that the administration isn't doing enough, which is fair, but also I know who I'd want to win if I lived in Gaza. I don't think the people there care how good you feel about "keeping your hands clean" and acting morally superior. They want to live, while these people want to play games.
Have you considered listening to what they actually say as opposed to projecting your own beliefs onto them?
Have you? I've listened to quite a few. Sadly, dead people can't say anything though. I hope they retain the ability to speak.
Are there any major Palestinian organization that have endorsed Harris?
An endorsement is not the only part of support. Giving an endorsement removes your leverage. Why would they endorse her if she's not doing what they ask? She's the better option, but they still want more from her than she's promising, so they should withhold their endorsement.
Sometimes I think you people don't understand politics or power structures, then I realize it doesn't matter and you aren't actually arguing from reason.
No, the reason you just laid out is literally my exact reason for not supporting her. Why would you lay that out and then claim I'm unreasonable or don't understand things for following the exact same line of logic?
Not giving an endorsement isn't the same thing as wanting people to not vote for her. Giving an endorsement is the end of negotiations. Once you give it up, you're done. Obviously they aren't going to do that, but it doesn't mean they don't think she's the best choice, unless they endorse someone else. Until they do that, it's telling voters to do what they think is best on their own. What's best for Gaza is obviously Harris being elected instead of Trump (and there isn't anyone else it could be).
There is zero difference between and endorsement and telling people to vote for someone. It's literally the same thing. It's pure idealism to think otherwise.
Have any Palestinian organizations told you to vote for Harris? Or are you, again, putting your own beliefs into their mouths while refusing to listen to them?
https://x.com/kai_newkirk/status/1849618809855844799?t=CIY7fYccGpYmPpiAuYI8fQ
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/leading-us-imams-and-scholars-urge-muslim-voters-snub-kamala-harris-over-gaza
Look, you asked whether any Palestinian orgs have told me to vote for Harris. I provided a link to that happening. If you want to tell me that's not good enough, then fine, just be careful of your feet while you're wheeling around those goalposts.
There is a large difference. The "uncommitted" movement, a group of pro-Palestinian, anti-war Democrats who led the push to cast protest votes against President Biden during the primaries, declined to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for the White House, but also said they would not encourage supporters to stay home or vote for third-party candidates. OK, so don't stay home or vote third party. What are they actually advocating for? Surely not Trump. They must be implying to vote Harris without endorsing her because, again, that gives up their leverage.
Here's another article about the same thing. At the same time, the movement’s leaders stressed that they oppose Donald Trump and are not recommending that supporters vote for a third-party candidate because doing so could help elect Trump. ...“We must block Donald Trump, which is why we urge Uncommitted voters to vote against him and avoid third-party candidates that could inadvertently boost his chances
So yeah, I'm not putting words in their mouth. You just aren't listening and are nieve.
There is zero difference whatsoever. None at all. Liberals just like to pretend there is to assuage their consciences. Nobody reasonable actually gives a shit about your purely rhetorical and semantic distinctions.
I asked for Palestinian organizations, not an organization of American Democrats. Is there anyone who is currently seeing Biden's bombs drop on their homes who wants you to vote Kamala?
I literally give you evidence of a group not supporting Harris but also saying not to vote for Trump, third party, or abstain and you say there's no difference. What other option is there? I'm pretty confident that only leaves Harris, without officially endorsing her. Could you expand on what other options are left?
Stop sea-lioning.
There's plenty like this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/extreme-danger-harris-earns-stunning-143857259.html?guccounter=1
Right, they said they weren't endorsing Harris while also endorsing Harris. It's standard liberal doublethink, y'all think if you play around fancy enough with words, it can allow you to take both positions and avoid having to make difficult or controversial decisions. But it's just rhetoric, semantics, and equivocation. Nobody, least of all anyone in a position of power, gives a shit about whether you use the word "endorse" or not so long as you do everything that an endorsement entails, voting for them and telling other people to vote for them. It's a distinction without a difference.
Sea-lioning isn't a real thing.
An open letter from 100 people is not an endorsement from a major Palestinian organization. Here's an open letter from Muslim leaders telling people to vote third party.
I'm done. You just ignore anything that doesn't conform to your beliefs and nothing will change your mind. You don't care you dies. You just want to feel superior to other people. I hope you become a better person in the future.
If "becoming a better person" means "refusing to draw a red line against genocide," then don't hold your breath. I'll always do that, I can promise you that. I would sooner die.
The elections haven't happened yet. Withhold your support for Harris until she changes her mind on Gaza