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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Please explain what you're proposing. Are you saying to get rid of democracy or what?

How about we tax the rich so there are no billionaires, take the corporations out of housing and rentals and fix our gerrymandering? These would go a long way to fix the problems.

[–] Fridam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Can you please explain your line of thinking here? This person purpose more drastic measures than just taxing, and you jump on them being against democracy. How is democracy = some people being ultra rich?

Like, for me, democracy means people decide how the society is ruled, so Im excited to hear how changing the system to get rid of disparity is the same as abolishing democracy

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What do you think that poster is proposing?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Look around, there's States with a somewhat working mix of capital and social. Take that as a minimum, while some of them already talk about universal basic income.

Some historical presidents and judges literally sold you out. That's not democracy, you're a plutocracy.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Do you think that poster is specifically proposing these things? He's talking about getting rid of the system.

Edit: Go deeper into the thread.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, i don't see how you can fix it without starting anew.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's not really a great idea to troll the mod.

[–] Fridam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 days ago

I only see disagreement here, no trolling. What I do see oss a mod using their mod status to silence people they disagree with This is a great moment to take a minute to reconsider how you are using your mod status to win discussions instead of making a good environment

[–] Fridam@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why does that matter? I was asking you to explain your line of thinking, and you're not even trying to answer my question Abolishing the rich is not an attack on democracy, som id like to hear your way of thinking here

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Not sure if you're pretending to be OP or you're actually OP. Either way, this one is toast in this community.

Why does that matter? I was asking you to explain your line of thinking, and you’re not even trying to answer my question Abolishing the rich is not an attack on democracy, som id like to hear your way of thinking here

Edit: It was a temp ban anyway, don't worry too much about it.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It seems to me that they're hinting at abolishing capitalism.

One way to do that would be to

  1. Mandate worker coop structure on all businesses

  2. Institute a 100% land value tax

Taxing the rich doesn't really solve the root of the problem. Abolishing capitalism pre-distributes wealth so that people don't become billionaires in the first place. 100% land value tax encourages efficient use of land.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Has that ever worked?

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Abolishing capitalism pre-distributes wealth so that people don’t become billionaires in the first place. 100% land value tax encourages efficient use of

This part. Having employee owned corporations doesn't abolish capitalism completely. Although, I agree that it would be awesome.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There has never been a worker-cooperative-dominated market economy, but actually existing worker coops and employee-owned corporations don't seem to create billionaires, and have more equitable distribution of wages.

Why does mandating all firms to be worker coops not abolish capitalism in your view?

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I would suggest looking into what capitalism is before we have that conversation.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I know what capitalism is. My analysis of capitalism comes from a mutualist perspective and is inspired by the classical laborists rather than Marx

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Okay, in what country has the mutualist perspective inspired by the classical laborists type of capitalism worked?

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Classical laborists and mutualists were anti-capitalists. Some of whom predated Marx.
As I said, a mutualist economy or economic democracy has never existed. The modern arguments for economic democracy were first published in a book released in the 1990s. However, we have plenty of examples of worker coops and employee-owned corporations working well under capitalism. An economic democracy or mutualism differs from capitalism in that all firms are mandated to be worker coops

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

It's been interesting speaking with you. Especially cool that you're coming from mastodon.