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[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Read Make Room! Make Room! if you want a grim and realistic picture of the future (though I don't agree with the notion that overpopulation is the problem).

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Genuinely curious why you don't agree with overpopulation as being a problem. Mathematically, more people on the same finite rock means less rock for each individual person. Since resources are tied to amount of rock available, it seems to mathematically check out.

[–] guylacaptivite@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not oc but we are not overpopulated. Every single hunan that ever loved could fit in the grand canyon only. The problem is how we feed and consume.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I agree with your conclusion that we need to modify behavior, I find this metric to be not helpful. You could also pack all the human biomass into a pinhead with enough pressure or gravity. Modifying behavior is easier said than done, reducing population would help too.

[–] guylacaptivite@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But reducing population without massive changes to behavior is not fixing anything either. We also don't have to change every single persons behavior but mainly how we regulate industries. Throwing a plastic water bottle in the garbage is not the problem. Manufacturing those bottles and filling them with fuckin tap water and selling them for a profit should be punishable by hanging

Something like this is most certainly a crime against humanity.

[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It might be a problem, but I don't think it's the cause of extreme weather and climate change (or scarcity, poverty, hunger etc.). The dominant economic and political system is.

Also I believe it will be eventually possible to either build comfortable cities in deserts and permafrost tundra (or even on the sea floor) or transform those to less hostile biomes (although there are ethical and aesthetical considerations) provided we don't go extinct due to climate change before we have a chance to address overpopulation concerns.

[–] foo@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Because if you make a country rich enough they will decline naturally.