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Bernie Sanders to voters skipping presidential election over Israel: ‘Trump is even worse’
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Democrats have taken the stance that it’s absolutely UNTHINKABLE that they could possibly not support a genocide, instead full bore opting that the other side’s genocide support is somehow worse. Man, fuck these people so hard.
Like it or not, a significant portion of the country is in favor of supporting Israel, and so they have to walk the line of supporting Israel without supporting genocide, because if they don't they also lose.
Republicans can campaign on being pro-genocide, give weapons to Israel on the condition they use them with less discretion, and make a campaign promise to deny asylum to any refugees and they don't lose a vote.
Democrats have to support Israel and Palestine, which is nearly impossible to do without a degree of "please don't use this gun wrong like you have every other time".
If you actually don't see how a Republican administration would be vastly worse for Palestinians, I don't know what to tell you.
https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/
Straight up not true to an extent that electorally matters. The only people who would drop Harris for supporting Palestine are the republican voters she's needlessly trying to court. Meanwhile at this rate she's losing/already lost Michigan and at least one other swing state with a significant Muslim population (there are a few of them). Her neglect of her voter base is what will do her in.
Got any data for that claim, or just asserting?
https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-see-united-states-playing-positive-role-middle-east
It's why the Harris campaign is consistently trying to thread the needle and support Israel while not supporting the genocide.
I've been trying to find recent data separated by political party (it's there I've seen it before) but I can't find it for some reason.
Do you have any sources to back up your claims?
"It's just what happens!!!"
I'm ready for the Dems to roll over when abortion is banned and the numbers of women dying in childbirth skyrocket. "The voters have decided. This is just what happens!" Instead they will shift the Overton window to "women should be jailed for 5 years rather than 10 when they have a miscarriage which looks like an abortion". I hope this statement is a joke, and not actually a prediction.
Your hypothetical situation regarding abortion is happening as we speak, and the democrats are fighting it. I'm not sure where you've been for the last year.
In fact it's one of the other major reasons why we need to vote democrat. RvW was overturned because SCOTUS is stacked with republicans. You want to prevent shit like that happening again, you need to vote so we can rebalance the courts.
The democrats have openly refused to pack the courts. How are they supposed to campaign if they don't have Republicans to threaten us with?
not sure what you're talking about, Biden has appointed almost as many judges as Trump did. And also not far off Obama who served two terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_judicial_appointments#Judicial_appointments_by_president
They had two years of majority in both houses under Biden where they could have added justices to the bench.
yeah obviously moderate dems and DINOs like Manchin are never going to go for that. If that's your bar for voting for democrats you're being completely unrealistic.
Realistically, we're going to have to demand the impossible if we want to solve climate change and half a dozen other major existential issues.
What's impossible is asking humans to work together for the good of all. Enough people think that such behaviour is treason that they will start a violent insurrection to stop it.
and how do you intend to "demand" that? if you mean withholding your vote until they cater to your specific view of the way things should be done you're going to be waiting forever. and in the meantime republicans will keep fucking things up even worse.
Me, personally?
I'm going to help the union movement build a new left because I don't think the Democrat party is worth saving.
and how are you going to vote? that’s the topic of discussion.
Doesn't matter, even if I lived in a swing state, this election was decided months ago when Biden dropped out.
excuses excuses. just go vote.
I already did.
for who?
Why do you ask?
lol you REALLY don't want to answer the question do you.
I'll be happy to tell you once you explain to me why you think it's important for you to know.
no thanks i know sea lioning when i see it.
Nah, you're just being rude and taking offense to being asked to justify your behavior.
I used to think these kinds of comments were silly jokes. But, the more that the Dems just allow everything to slip rightwards, it seems like this is really their strategy, and I'm worried it's not a joke.
Don't worry, when the Republican party falls apart after Trump loses and the Democrats are the pro-fracking, pro-genocide right wing party there will be space for the union movement to assemble a new left coalition.
I hope all this actually happens, as the US would be a better place with serious political representation that isn't different flavours of Conservative. But I won't be surprised if it does not, plenty of people are happy to vote for bigotry.
I predicted this back in 2015 when the Democrats started openly conspiring against Bernie. If the 2024 dem incumbent dropped out, not only would Trump lose, but his loss will split the party and the infighting will destroy it.
Hate fuels Republicans into resisting infighting. They have someone else to hate more.
I worry that it's the left which tends to infight themselves into irrelevance.
They do have something to hate more, their own loser selves after they fail to install Trump.
They will blame immigrants, gays, and feminists (especially childless women) first. That's the unifying 'strength' of right-wing politics: ignorant hate.
The "unifying strength" of fascism is it's enforcement of a hierarchy, and Trump's supporters hate losers more than anyone else. When he loses, they are going to blame everyone but especially the "moderate" anti-Trump republicans. They'll destroy their own party trying to root out the unfaithful.
Yes, and I worry that they will keep fighting it from a further and further rightwards position, meaning rights are eroded while they position themselves.
Recent post around here said "democrats will shift to the right if they lose". Yes that overton window will be "only get 1 year prison if they accuse the father of rape" shift.