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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You seem to be under the impression that your not voting changes the binary outcome.

This pyrrhic victory neglects to recognize that either Trump or Harris will be elected. And there is no circumstance that Trump is better than Harris. Not on women's rights. Not on climate change. Not on Ukraine. And not on Gaza.

Whether you like it or not, it's Harris or Trump. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't change this fact.

So both the moral and pragmatic solution is to choose the lesser evil that gives the highest odds to improve all these groups. Which is Harris. Factually.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You seem to be under the impression that your not voting changes the binary outcome.

Me voting wouldn't change the outcome either, considering I can't.

 

So both the moral and pragmatic solution is to choose the lesser evil

Is killing wrong?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, killing wrong.

Killing more people with less chance to kill fewer people more wrong.

Again, dichotomous choice. Easiest choice to make, really.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If killing is wrong, then voting to kill some rather than more is still wrong.

I request better options.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Correction: it is less wrong.

Standing by and letting someone kill more when your action could've resulted in less makes you as culpable in the killing as Biden and Harris themselves.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We're standing by to let killing happen right now. I'm the one saying that's unacceptable.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

You can't vote so you're irrelevant but still, no, the only agency I'm privileged to have is my vote. Doing nothing means more die. Voting Harris means less die. Simple.