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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 103 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Harris got 15 mill less than biden. Trump got same number of votes basically.

They just slept

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 105 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

America made it clear that they will not vote for a woman. Especially a woman of color. Fuck America

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I suspected if she lost it was because she was a woman. Others are saying it was all Gaza and they didn't vote in protest. A commentor replied to me showing the margins are like 10s of thousands in one state.

She seem way better than Hillary too. Hillary reminded me of my grandma but in all the bad ways.

Guess Trump may nuke the whales. Tried to nuke a hurricane.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyone who didn't vote in protest needs to shut the fuck up now. I don't wanna hear another damn word out of them regarding Gaza, or moralizing to the world. They will now get to see Gaza be dismantled.

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They really stuck it to the Democratic party, hope they're fucking happy that their solution to the Gaza situation is to accelerate wiping Palestinians from existence. Blood is on their hands now more than anyone that did the bare minimum to keep democracy alive.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nobody learned the lesson from 2016. We can't stick it to the dems until the GOP goes away.

I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We can't change how people work, adopting republican policies and compromising your democratic policies decreases turnout with the base.

We can only tell the democratic politicians to do what they need to do to win, which isn't triangulating yourself 2 inches to the left of the republican to try to chase "moderate republicans" who prefer diet fascism to the real thing.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

Dumbest f ing move ever. I shocked they didn't drop guns. Now that may have made a difference.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The genocide will continue until moral improves.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Either that, or that America will not vote for the status quo again.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump is the status quo as well so apparently they will

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No he really is. What is more status quo than a rich white guy as president with conservative values?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump is campaigning on making massive changes to American domestic and foreign policy. I don't like the changes he's pursuing, but he is absolutely not running on the status quo. And that is, in fact, exactly what won him the race.

If he was just running on the status quo, he wouldn't be a threat to democracy. Deporting 20 million people isn't the status quo. Repealing civil rights isn't status quo. Attacking or ending NATO isn't status quo. Abandoning Ukraine isn't status quo. Befriending Russia isn't status quo.

Yes, Trump is a conservative white guy. But type of thinking, focusing on identity groups and demographics, is what has got us here. Kamala herself is a historically novel nominee, she was new in terms of personal identity. But she wasn't actually offering anything other than the same milquetoast centrism of Biden.

This is the problem. People are hurting. Trump actually had something to offer these people. He said, "elect me, I'll throw out all the immigrants, and by doing so I'll lower the cost of housing and increase wages!" It's a horrible, evil, and long-term unproductive solution, but he was actually offering SOMETHING. Democrats offered no meaningful answers to the things people are actually hurting on. The only thing Democrats offered were wonky dismissals of economic concerns by citing official inflation numbers and calculated real wage gains. (Ignoring figures like ratio of median housing cost to median wage.)

People are in pain right now. People are on the edge, driven to the brink by late-stage capitalism. Biden was a milquetoast centrist, but he was able to barely eek out a win by running on a lot of progressive promises in 2020. He walked away from a lot of those commitments and governed as the centrist he is. Harris offered just more of the same. Neither offered real meaningful solutions and proved completely incapable of handling the crises at hand.

Trump again, he actually offered solutions, or at least something that seems like a solution. Like it or not, he WAS the change candidate of 2020. And that is what won him the election.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, yes they did. Democrats introduced the Green New Deal for fuck sake

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And their centrist wing managed to completely kneecap it. The same centrist wing that ran Kamala's campaign.

How has US fossil fuel production been cut back AT ALL from any Biden or Harris policy?

Yes, I know you can blame it on Manchin. The problem is that there's always a Manchin. The Democrats take turns being the sacrificial lamb, and they can always find some conservative Dem to kneecap any serious Democratic proposal.

Voters don't give two shits about what your party introduces. Parties introduce all sorts of policies they have zero intention of passing for easy political points all the time.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't cut back fuel production and win elections in this country

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And look where that type of thinking has got us. Democrats don't run on any meaningful bold policy positions, as there's always some needling centrist saying why this or that will never be politically viable.

Trump doesn't run this way. Deporting 20 million people has all sorts of practical, legal, fiscal, and political issues with it. No rational or sane professional political consultant would say that it's a winning strategy. Yet, time and time again, Trump proves that things that all the political consultants and experts would be political suicide, are in fact anything but.

Democrats give up before the fight even begins. They accept Republican framing and Republican ideas on what is politically possible. They run as Republican-lite, and they lose again and again because of this.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're saying Democrats should say stupid shit that appeals to the deep seated bigotry embedded in our national culture?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a clear bad-faith interpretation of what I posted. Try improving your reading comprehension skills.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 weeks ago

If there's subtext to what you posted then maybe post that instead.

Claiming the Democrats don't have bold ideas and then bringing up one of Trump's stupid claims as an example of what Democrats should be doing doesn't leave much room for another interpretation.

Maybe work on your communication skills if you can't post what you mean

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well seems like he won twice on going back to the 1950s status quo.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is NOT the status quo. You're talking about someone promising to make utterly massive changes to US foreign and domestic policy. People are hurting for change, and if they can't find that change on the left, they'll find it on the right.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

it's "status quo" back then not modern version. He said 1950s is when america was great in 2016. So dismantling everything in last 70 years is just going back to roots to him I imagine.

[–] InSamsara@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

They just slept

Look at this snoozer. Absolutely sleepymaxxing. A bedtimepilled pillowcel. Got a blanket under his head just lost in the sleepy sauce.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The Democrat vote is ALWAYS 15 million below Biden's RECORD popular vote number! Trump got HUGE numbers for a Republican. Do your homework, and stop trying to create a narrative using COVID numbers.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The narrative that people voted In the 2020 and chose not too in 2024? Doesn't matter what dem numbers were in the past cause all it proves is how many people will consistently vote dem.

I'll tell you what the shock really is me. People voted for Biden not because they hated Trump but something Biden had that dem candidates going back to 2008 didn't have.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Biden. People just wanted someone new in charge of COVID.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well that's something different he had from previous dems from. Dude lucked out with great timing that alone moved 15 million people to vote.

I know it wasn't misogyny because John Kerry, Obama, and Harris were all in the 60 mil range.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You realize the US population gets bigger over time, right? There should always been more voters every year because we have more people every year.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The difference between 2020 election and all the others was sudden and large. Not population based.