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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

We’ll be fine. Yes shit will be fucked up but democracy will not die. We’ll try again in 2028 and thankfully Trump is capped out after this. Maybe midterms will show some shift

[–] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hahaha you still think there will be elections. Cute!

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes. Yes there will be. Even if everyone who voted for Trump is OK with it if you think the rest of America is just going to be ok with dismantling elections you're being irrational.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This has happened plenty of times in other countries. To think it can't happen here is what is irrational.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think any country in the world has been in the position America is in. Similar sure, but not the bastion of wealth and power, with a stubborn population. There would be a civil war before they remove democracy. It's more likely that elections will be a front to the fascist seats of power. The elections aren't going away. What they mean is a different story.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you realize places without elections still have them, they just mean nothing right?

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can argue American elections have meant nothing either.

and you'd be the stupidest person in the room if you did.

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

I hope you're right.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I took this attitude the first time Trump was elected, and boy was I wrong. Not this time. Now, I'm seriously considering what his options might be for eliminating the election in 2028. He needs to clean the military brass of people disloyal to him, which he can easily do as Commander in Chief. Once he's got a loyal military, there's virtually nothing he can't do; and this SCOTUS will let him do anything he wants, so long as it aligns with the view of Evangelical Christians, who have been wanting a theocracy for decades. He can conjure the specter of "Democrat corruption" to justify eliminating any opposition politicians as an official act, completely re-stock the FBI with loyalists to wage any legal battles he needs to make his actions seem legitimate and "official," and arrest any problematic judges under the same "corruption" myth so that he can then replace them with loyalists.

Honestly, we've seen this playbook before in countries that are now dictatorships and Trump has already made it quite clear he wants to be a dictator. There is absolutely no reason to be convinced this will not happen. It might not happen, but there's no reason to think definitely will not.

he doesnt even have to touch the military, just has to certify fraudulent voter slates, that's it.

[–] nick@midwest.social 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Naive.

Edit: I’m guessing you’re a straight with male with no children or family who are lgbtq.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's right, bringing race, gender, and other demographic variables into it totally makes your argument stronger. It definitely doesn't expose your own prejudices at all, no siree.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

trump just barely failed to steal it last time, this time he has the fucking supervillain crackpot team behind him.

If he wants to do it, all he has to do is make the call.

He has the executive, he has the house, he has the senate, he will most likely completely have the supreme court, there is literally nobody to tell him no anymore.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The generals will tell him no.

[–] slartibartfast@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And he will replace them with someone who will say yes.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Genuinely curious: how can he? Does POTUS have control over the entire chain of command?

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

His official title is commander-in-chief. The generals answer to him AFAIK.

the military might be the only thing that stops him. Hence why i didn't include it.

But i have no idea. Literally every other duty, and every other branch will be under the whims of the stupidest person in america right now.