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Is Python's tooling incredibly difficult, or am I just stupid? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 weeks ago by zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works to c/programming@programming.dev

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So I'm no expert, but I have been a hobbyist C and Rust dev for a while now, and I've installed tons of programs from GitHub and whatnot that required manual compilation or other hoops to jump through, but I am constantly befuddled installing python apps. They seem to always need a very specific (often outdated) version of python, require a bunch of venv nonsense, googling gives tons of outdated info that no longer works, and generally seem incredibly not portable. As someone who doesn't work in python, it seems more obtuse than any other language's ecosystem. Why is it like this?

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[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The venv stuff is pretty annoying, I agree.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As a baby Python Dev, I'm glad it's not just me.

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been full time writing python professionally since 2015. You get used to it. It starts to just make sense and feel normal. Then when you move to a different language environment you wonder why their tooling doesn't use a virtualenv.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm starting to get the hang of it. I was using Debian, so I had to figure out the basics of venv because many of the frameworks I was trying to learn require newer versions of Python than what comes with Debian.

vscodium works really easily inside it though, so it wasn't too bad, but I still feel like I'm treading water a little bit.