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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Neoliberal ideology leads to fascism. The actual neoliberals themselves are not fascists. We can work with neoliberals. The problem with scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds is that it's a mindset that creates enemies out of people who are our allies.

Don't get me wrong. Neoliberals need to abandon their ideology in favor of socialism. And a populist narrative wouldn't hurt the Democrats either. But if we blind ourselves to the difference between neoliberals and fascists, we are making things harder for ourselves.

I think we actually agree on this, we just phrase it slightly differently.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm a firm believer in providing answers to why we're here. The buck stops with power, and the rich had all the power. Neolibs did their bidding, and thus they deserve no kindness. I'm never listening to their arguments for business again. They need to be told to shut the fuck up. They have no goodwill from the public, so we don't need to pretend to like them.

They can be our allies because our interests might align, but we gain more by explaining why they failed than by letting them have respect. We need to build the left as an answer, and neolibs have no place with us.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Rather than scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds a more useful statement would be today's neoliberals can be tomorrow's socialists. But to do that we have to do the work of convincing people to be socialists. Teaching people neoliberalism is a scam is the first step in that.

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nah we need to start punching neoliberals until they stop organizing and start supporting actual left causes, because they will never, under any circumstances, allow anything close to socialism. It works with nazis, why not their best friends? Either way it'll be very fun :3

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 4 months ago

i like this :)

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Neoliberals rely on fascists to exist, there is no collaborating with them. Democrats will literally always side with the far right over the even remotely left, and will always collaborate with Republicans and recognize them as a legitimate party rather than a legitimate cancer that needs to be stopped. Neolibs (libs in general really) are the left wing of fascism, and can absolutely never be relied upon to fight fascism, because they will always work with fascists against the left until fascists kill them all