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"Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has ordered preparations for the annexation of the occupied West Bank ahead of US President-elect Donald Trump taking office in January 2025."

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Let's be honest, I voted for Harris. But her message was essentially:

"Vote for Kamala Harris. She will enable a slow genocide. But her opponent, Donald Trump, will enable a fast genocide. She is clearly the superior choice."

Saying that Kamala would be better than Trump was objectively true. However, it was also just shit, brain-dead, zero-awareness messaging. You cannot practically run on a message of, "yes, I will enable genocide, but my opponent will enable it WORSE!"

It's just a shit, poorly thought out message. Who actually is this for? Those pro-Zionist voters won't be persuaded either way. Those who want to see the Palestinians genocided will go with Trump instead, as he'll get the job done faster. Those opposed to genocide were asked to hold their nose and vote for someone who should be on trial at the Hague, simply because she was running against someone who deserves to be on trial at the Hague even more!

It's like running a campaign saying, "yes, I have some Nazi tendencies, but my opponent is a full-on avowed Nazi. My opponent is objectively worse."

A statement can be true, while also being just complete shit in terms of campaign strategy.

"Yes, my candidate is Mussolini, but her opponent is Hitler! Clearly a vote for Mussolini is better than a vote for Hitler!"

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

"Yes, my candidate is Mussolini, but her opponent is Hitler! Clearly a vote for Mussolini is better than a vote for Hitler!"

Why would you be criticising Mussolini if you didn't secretly want Hitler to win?! I cannot possibly come up with any other explanation. You must be trying to trick us.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Harris was campaigning and bibi knew he had leverage, because the worse it got, the more ~~anti-israel~~ pro-palestine vote she'd lose. Lose-lose-lose situation for Harris, Palestine, anti-israel voters. That the left was not more strategic about this (e.g. Bernie's stance, which was strategic), I blame on great russian disinfo and agitators, not just shit intrinsic takes from the left.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yup. And she let him play her like a fiddle. And there are like, 3 anti-Israel voters in the US. Harris lost because of anti-genocide voters, not because of anti-Israeli voters. You seem to be implying that anti-genocide = anti-Israeli.

If you believe that the only way a person can be an Israeli is if they support the massacre of innocent civilians, then you are racist anti-Semitic trash that doesn't deserve to live. If that is the case, please chain yourself to a large rock, and throw the rock in the ocean.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

you really didn't get the point, did you? Anti-bibi, anti-genocide, anti-whatever-israel-is-doing. Nitpicking about words and trying to own the moral high ground instead of focusing on the only path that gave you a little leverage. But again, it is not your fault, it was mostly a successful two-pronged campaign by disinformation centrals coming from the left and the right.