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Bernie Would Have Won. Seriously.
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He’s 83 years old, older than both Trump and Biden.
I’d like to see AOC throw her hat in for 2028. She’ll be 39 then.
I'd love to see this but her chances are likely worse than Harris. And that's assuming we have an honest election in '28.
Maybe, maybe not. Looking at the answers from her "AOC and Trump" voter cross-section, it seems like you just need to run someone who's "genuine." Both of them are seen as genuine or real (whether that's true or not, it doesn't matter).
Populism can cut both ways and AOC might be just the ticket we need.
That was my primary complaint about Harris, she had the same plastic, fake insincerity Clinton did.
I mean, I voted for her ANYWAY because the alternative is just... 🤢🤮
I'm starting to be of the mind that literally nothing matters in the presidential election except vibes/personality. Assuming there is an election and assuming people are sick of Trump by then I think she'd have a great shot.
Yeah, I've already seen the name "Gavin Newsom" floated around for 2028.
DNC doesn't learn.
There will be a proper primary in '28 and Newsome will be the Democratiic Mitt Romney. No idea if he'll win.
My favorite joke on Romney, I think it was Letterman? "Sears Catalog underwear model, Mitt Romney."
Proper like in 2016?
The more one looks into the DNC, the more questions exist. Is it really a wounder how much inflation took place over the Obama years? Under Biden? They push party people, they get party people, who have the same great money management skills. And people are fed up with it.
People are fed up with GOP folk just the same - for different reasons. Trump was the NOT GOP, not DNC nominee, it isn't really a wounder why he found support. It's really just a wounder how the leadership of the parties couldn't figure out that serious reform is needed internally.
Why does nobody seem to understand what fascism and, "dictator on day one" means?
Your vote will never mean anything ever again.
That would also require Trump to be competent and while he's a great many things, that is one thing he will never be.
As much as I love her, America will never elect a female president anytime soon. There are many men who believe the presidency is a man's job.
Why would you say that?
Harris didn't lose because she was a woman - she lost because she was associated so heavily with the Biden administration as more, and more questions started being asked.
Hillary didn't lose because she was a Woman, she lost because she was a Clinton and there are so many left overs - and by popular vote: She won, but the US isn't about the popular vote. But when we look at the split - it is VERY interesting.
AOC is generally speaking - widely approachable, talks some sanity, is willing to talk both sides of the Aisle, and so on. I can't actually readily find a reason to be flat out opposed to her: I mean sure, there are policies and such that I don't always agree with - but generally speaking, it is rare to find someone you completely agree with, and someone you completely disagree with: And if you ALWAYS disagree with everything, and can't have a discussion - often times it's not the other person with the issue.
The reality is, there are plenty of Men and Woman that won't or will vote one way or another for a wide number of reasons, and odds are - put into the mix, it all washes out.
Truth is, when Covid was raging on - I kinda thought that Republicans would basically screw themselves over with the way it was handled and the death counts etc. But what it turns out - is a lot of deaths were assigned to covid but related to Cancer, heart disease, and so on with Covid as a contributing factor: So while dangerous, it seems the numbers were conflated - and that, is a very dangerous thing to do as the truth will, sooner or later, win out. And here we are.
The thing is: AOC doesn't strike me as mainstream Democrat. And that alone will mean the DNC is unlikely to back her as a candidate - they want a party person through and through, and that, is ultimately what lost them this election.
I don't think that Harris's problem was that she was a woman. Her problem, same as Mrs. Clinton, was everything else. And that is a long list for both of them. Being women probably didn't help, but it also wasn't their main chute.
I'd vote for her. I'm in Tennessee.. so it won't matter. But I'll vote for her.
They will fucking kill her. Not kidding. Unfortunately.
They said the same thing about black people until a black man running as a progressive won the nomination. I think you've been learning the wrong lesson from all the elections since.
Please read my previous comment again because the response to this statement is exactly the same.
Man, you'll really say anything to avoid admitting that progressives win elections, won't you?
She's nothing but a gatekeeping mouthpiece for the DNC.