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US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.

“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spoken like someone who doesn't actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)

[–] hark@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))

Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn't be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))

That's even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don't hurt less. What's really fucked up is you thinking I'm doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they've been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don't want genocide? No, I'm not asking for a supposedly "better" genocide, I mean NO genocide.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don’t hurt less.

This may be shocking, but things can absolutely get worse, and 'to the hilt' is an English idiom which means 'as much as possible'.

You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they’ve been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump.

Oh, okay, you're just giving asspats to people who literally voted for Trump, who openly espoused the value of intensifying and backing the genocide by all means possible because you want to criticize the Democrats. Okay. Very believable.

Who do we vote for if we don’t want genocide? No, I’m not asking for a supposedly “better” genocide, I mean NO genocide.

There wasn't a no genocide choice. The idea that picking 'more genocide' as a protest of that is somehow understandable is deluded or vile - or both.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This may be shocking, but things can absolutely get worse, and ‘to the hilt’ is an English idiom which means ‘as much as possible’.

This may be shocking, but biden's support for the genocide is already "to the hilt". Before you try to explain English to me, try to understand the reality of the situation. The leadership of both parties fully and unconditionally support israel. Things will absolutely get worse because the genocide is going to proceed regardless of which party is in charge. Your tired harm reduction argument falls apart when you understand what is actually happening.

Here, have a read: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This may be shocking, but biden’s support for the genocide is already “to the hilt”.

That reflects a severe paucity of understanding of the US's capabilities in this situation.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm well aware of the US's capabilities, but apparently biden isn't because he bent over for a fascist in a foreign country to supply their campaign of genocide with billions of dollars in weapons. I dunno, maybe biden enjoys being bibi's little bitch, but he certainly didn't do anything to impede the genocide.

I would like you to use your capabilities and read the article I posted. Here it is again in case you missed it: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden

Please read that and tell me how the democratic party would have been different over the next four years.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m well aware of the US’s capabilities, but apparently biden isn’t because he bent over for a fascist in a foreign country to supply their campaign of genocide with billions of dollars in weapons.

How does that in any way contradict what I said?

You don't understand how it can get worse because you think the current level of support is the most the US can do to support the genocide. In the next four years, though likely it will gruesomely end sooner, you'll see hard evidence of just how much more support the US can lend to this atrocity, since apparently abstract thinking is not your strong point.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's funny that you accuse me of being bad at abstract thinking when you couldn't understand the simple point I was making that just like the US has the capabilities to make things worse, they also have the capabilities to make things better, which biden has not used at all. He has pledged billions of dollars in weapons and permitted any actions that israel takes. Apparently the idea of things actually getting better just does not compute in your mind. This nicely sums up everything wrong with the democratic party and why they're not actually opposition but rather a tag team partner with republicans. The genocide of the Palestinian people will proceed regardless of which party is in power.

You're so busy hammering the point that you'd rather eat shit with a kernel of corn in it because at least there is corn in there, but you're still eating shit.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s funny that you accuse me of being bad at abstract thinking when you couldn’t understand the simple point I was making that just like the US has the capabilities to make things worse, they also have the capabilities to make things better, which biden has not used at all.

Okay? That's not at all relevant to the fact that things can get much worse, something you denied, and what we're arguing about.

This may be shocking, but biden’s support for the genocide is already “to the hilt”.

Don't know why I expected any sort of consistency from you, though. Anything to peddle your fascist-enabling genocide-supporting "BOTHSIDES" shite, self-contradiction be damned.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're making a pointless argument. Things can always get worse. Name anything that could be done and I'll tell you how it could be made worse. All you're doing is distracting from the fact that both democrats and republicans are supporting a genocide and it's not going to stop until Palestine does not exist anymore. The end result is the fucking same and you're here arguing over pointless technicalities as if they mean anything. Get a clue.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The end result is the fucking same and you’re here arguing over pointless technicalities as if they mean anything.

Ah, that explains it, you think that speeding up the genocide of Palestinians is a 'pointless technicality'. How... charming.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do you measure this "speed up"? What you consider a speed up could've simply been the progression of the campaign which would've occurred under democrats as well. Either way the end result is the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people. Do you think starving them all to death is better than bombing them all to death just because it's slower?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Either way the end result is the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

Not unlike the past 20 years of genocide, but hey, who cares about the speed up in the past year? Same end result, right? /s

[–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

You mean the speed up in the past year that happened under the democrats? Thanks for proving my point.