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[–] Womdat10@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And what is "wokeness." "Wokeness" means to them the existence of queer people, women, and POC.

Also, I envy you for not seeing democrats blame minorities for the rise of Trump, I wish I could be so happily nieve.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wokeness to them means, "progressive policy positions we believe will be a net loss with the electorate." This year, that will almost certainly mean abandoning trans people, since the bigoted, "she's for they/them," campaign Trump ran against Harris was very effective. It's similar to how the party was happy to capitalize off the energy of the 2020 BML protests, but once the phrase, "Defund the Police," started test poorly with the electorate, they began distancing themselves from the movement.

I haven't heard any Democrats blame minorities. I mean, sure, I've seen terminally online people say that Muslims and Latinos deserve what's about to happen, but the actual Democrats don't seem to want to even acknowledge the loss. They pretty much only have identity politics left for a platform; they've adopted conservative positions on fiscal policy, foreign policy, and border policy; all they can really do to differentiate themselves from Republicans is to not be openly hostile to minority groups. The fact that they are now losing these groups seems like something few of them want to acknowledge.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Only thing is, the Trump anti-trans ads weren't effective. Yet that hasn't stopped some establishment Democrats from blaming the loss on that issue and 'wokeness'. From the polling, the best rhetoric to have is to be pro-trans but not have it as a forefront issue. Advocating for universal programs like access to healthcare be a forefront issue and simply extending that right to trans people when needed is the most beneficial.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hey, I'm right there with you, but based on this piece from Politico, it sounds like a lot of Democrats want to go right on social issues. The unnamed delegate from Florida even references the ad, and all but says, "we need to stop supporting trans stuff." The Democrats don't want to go back to being an economically left party, so some of them are trying to see if dialing back the, "wokeness," will help, and if they get their way, it looks like trans issues will be first of the chopping block.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that's what I was referencing. The Trump anti-trans ads weren't effective on the American public, if anything the opposite; but were effective on getting the Democratic Party to move to the right on social issues, in opposition to public sentiment. Only effective because the Democratic Party refuses to recognize the real reasons for their major loss in public support. If they continue to go right on social issues, I only see them losing even more support

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Well, glad to know it wasn't effective. The pundit class was talking about how damaging it was, but I shouldn't have assumed they were basing that on facts.