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[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Destroying evidence is a big no-no in a legal case, and would allow the judge to draw a negative inference, so I'm guessing that gave Valve the leverage to settle the case.

Ah, that would make sense. So Valve probably won more on procedural grounds then?

"Needle in a haystack" made me assume it was something like actual contractual language forbidding Vivendi from doing what it was trying to do.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago

i mean, destroying evidence related to the case is a little more than a "procedural violation". that's clear cut obstruction and it's a felony crime.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, they settled as soon as they found this, as they knew how it would've played out in a trial. If you can show a judge that evidence was deleted, the judge/jury would need to assume that the missing evidence would show the guilt of that party.

The needle in the haystack part was that Vivendi were trying to bury Valve in evidence, as they assumed that they wouldn't be able to afford to hire a bunch of Korean paralegals to go through everything. A wealthy opponent will do that in order to put you in the position where you have to choose between settling or paying a fortune to go through the evidence that may or may not contain anything useful.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago

If I'm reading this correctly, the haystack is the malicious compliance of providing all documents printed and in Korean. The needle is the document that snuck between other documents so that Valve attorneys wouldn't find it.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 20 points 3 days ago

Sort of procedural, yes - if you are alleging something and the evidence that would support that was destroyed by the other party, the court can make an adverse inference which basically means the court assumes the destroyed evidence would have proved your point.

(I am not a lawyer)

To me this is what allowed them to not comb through the millions of documents. Since you have a piece of evidence they gave you admitting to destroying additional evidence, they basically can get not goodwill at all in front of a judge, so it doesn't matter if they say "your honor everything was turned over during discovery and we're all clear", the instant your lawyers contact their lawyers, it's settling time.