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Forced conscription in general - probably not.
What Zelensky's doing is not just forced conscription, it's literally kidnapping people off the streets, putting them into vans, often beating them in the process, keeping people in basements for multiple days, etc. and only then sending them to the meatgrinder. It's also has been described in western medias already btw, it's called "busification" if you want to have a read / watch what happens on the Ukrainian streets.
With Zelenaky in leadership nobody has any say. He is for a long time already an unelected usurper. I am not here to discuss whether voting in Russia is rigged or not, but at least people there can vote, can form political parties. Under Zelensky's regime you simply can't.
I'd love to see my country an indepent and free country, but the first pre-requirement for that is removing Zelensky from power (trialing him for crimes against humanity would be nice, but I know that it would never happen), and then seek a compromise with Russia.
He and his regime are threat #1 to us.
Thank you.
People should be able to decide for themselves. Zelensky knows it's not on the table for his regime, because apart from a few nationalists (a lot of whom are already dead) nobody is going to fight for his regime.
This is not a nice thing to say, but at least you're honest about this in contrast to the hypocrites who say that they are "helping us".
Is this not usually the case during defensive wars?
When the war's over, if he doesn't step down and call an election, you guys are going to have to Gaddafi him in order to keep/restore your democracy I guess.
I mean yeah, but when a certain candidate is able to get over 100% of the votes, you might ask whether or not the elections happening are actually worse than not happening - at least when they don't happen, you're not under any illusions.
It's not a nice thing to say, but this is me laying the cards on the table regarding what my position is. If Ukrainians want to fight for their freedom - that's super and you have my full support. If y'all DON'T really want to fight, but are being forced to - I don't think any normal person is happy about it, myself not included, but technically it's still beneficial to millions of non-Ukrainian Eastern Europeans every time a Russian tank is blown up or an actually competent high-level officer killed. I just feel like a lot of people are disingenuous when they say support Ukrainians. Yes, much of the western world supports you guys, but so many of us also have something to gain, even if this is not the main motivation for most people's support.