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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Complexity theoretical, security and latency wise this sounds like a great plan. Can wait for people being stuck in cars for days because the freeway offramps are causing livelocks. (Like the example of the waymo cars all honking at each other at the parking lots).

Wonder if they are going to use the routing solutions used in tcp and then discover that cars are heavier and slower than data and suddenly waste a lot of peoples time and money.

E: small little detail which I don't know if other countries also have it, but in the dutch traffic system, emergency services and busses (and perhaps a few hackers who really want to be in trouble with the law (but I always heard this described as a 'this exist, but we don't mess with it' system)) have a system where you can get priority at traffic lights, so they turn green faster. Wonder if other countries have this, and how much they realize this will not work for waymo systems.

[–] self@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

a system where you can get priority at traffic lights, so they turn green faster

the US has this too (you can watch the stoplights suddenly reprioritize as an ambulance or cop car with their lightbars and sirens running approaches) and I’m honestly not sure why I haven’t ever seen it abused by some shithead with a HackRF or similar. maybe the penalties make it safer to just willingly run a red light?

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago

That kind of reminds me of medical implant hacks. I think they're in a similar spot where we're just hoping no one is enough of an asshole to try it in public.

Like pacemaker vulnerabilities: https://www.engadget.com/2017-04-21-pacemaker-security-is-terrifying.html

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 3 days ago

There recently was a bit of a 'hackers can/are abusing this scare here' and well, I think most people don't want to abuse the system like this and understand the risks/and consequences of this. And there is also a factor of, how would you get caught? So I assume a few people who know how this would work don't actually advertise it. They might have also updated it to actually use some form of encryption. However it used to (from what I heard) not be encrypted (no idea about logging either). There is also the whole thing that messing with traffic lights vs messing with speed traps feels like a very different thing.