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[–] NightShot@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Stop drinking milk not intended for you, problem solved. Go Vegan !

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I greatly enjoy eating vegans. Very lean and easy to catch.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes it does, we invented it ON PURPOSE

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What about milk intended for me? I mean, my mom may have trouble producing at her age, but...

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Fellow lemming is so single they can't get milk from their partner. UwU

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't milk a blow-up doll...

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Not with that attitude

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think my girlfriend would be weirded out if I asked her to take domperidone...

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Good news! As long as its given consentually then human milk is vegan!

Gross edit: some body builders buy it to bulk up!

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the vegan society definition makes no mention of consent.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That could be! Despite that, a big part of minimizing harm is consent!

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I found something similar to our vegan debate! Polution!

Its ever increasing year over year, but efforts to reduce pollution have reduced the rate of increase.

Would you argue that since pollution increases year over year that we should abandon our current efforts as its clear they aren't working?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

we should do things that are effective at tackling our problems. your question is too broad to answer with any more specificity.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont need specifics because the proof is already there that whatever is being done now isnt working. Just like you argue that efforts to reduce animal consumption are proven futile by the increase in animal consumption year over year.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you're mixing up the means with the end. if your goal is to reduce animal product production, you need to go where animal products are produced and stop it. if your goal is to reduce pollution, go to where pollution is produced, and stop it. but simply stopping consumption, on an individual basis, isn't going to do it.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Its just as unrealistic that one person affects global pollution as much as it is unrealistic that one person go and personally stop the pollution at the source, isnt it?

It seems like you are arguing noone should do either direct or indirect action, since neither is feasible on an individual basis.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Its just as unrealistic that one person affects global pollution as much as it is unrealistic that one person go and personally stop the pollution at the source, isnt it?

no, one person can shut down a pipeline. it's just a valve you can turn off.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You know thats absurd or else people would be doing it. Its not just a valve, and its not out in the open with no protections. My cousin used to guard the Alaskan pipeline. How do you suppose I go and affect that without getting shot?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its less likely than people choosing not to eat meat.

I'm not sure what sort of great effect you expect a single person to have attempting to either steal all the worlds animals and hide them or to destroy oil infrastructure.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

it would be more effective than buying beans and hoping .

[–] kworpy@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago

you're saying that cows aren't supposed to exist

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Fr. It tastes the same, barely taxing for the environment compared to cow milk (depending on the type of milk), plus you don't torture animals. Sounds like a win-win-win situation to me

Edit: Gimme your downvotes guys. I thrive on them 💅🏻

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It absolutely does not taste the same. Which works for me because I don't like the taste of cow milk.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

There are some brands that emulate the taste of cow milk for those who want that is what I meant. Obviously my view is skewed given that I've been vegan for like 4 years

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The main thing for me is most people are lactose intolerant to some degree. It can be worth trying alternative milks just to see if you feel better with it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They are weak, and can only be purified through the gas of adversity

Edit: flatulence

It occurred to me that the other phrasing could be problematic

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Lol I liked both versions!

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Your comment is great. Please keep speaking up for morals!

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Appreciate you 🙏🏻❤️

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

milking cows isn't torture, but I'm pretty sure humans have a bigger carbon footprint than cattle

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Forceful impregnation, constant pregnancy, kicked and beaten calves and their mothers, separation of calves from the mother and their killing. Shall I go on?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

artificial insemination isn't torture. cows aren't kept constantly pregnant. kicking and beating cows isn't part of husbandry. killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

artificial insemination isn’t torture.

Doing so to a creature who can't consent is pretty wack though.

cows aren't kept constantly pregnant

Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young. The dairy industry is for-profit, they're not going to let their dairy cows have downtime from producing milk if there's money to be made.

kicking and beating cows isn’t part of husbandry.

The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists. It is undoubtedly a part of animal agriculture. Here's a whole paper about it, if it interests you.

killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.

It definitely isn't the worse part of the miserable lives we make them live after breeding them in massive numbers. It's probably a relief at that point.

Also, just a sidenote here, I scrolled a bit through your history and you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy whenever you come across anything relating to veganism or the negative impacts of those industries. You engage with vegan content much more than I do and I'm vegan! I don't think I can change your mind about veganism, nor do I really feel the desire to write any more than I already have. But, I don't know, maybe go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff? It might make for a more enjoyable experience on lemmy.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff

I don't tell you what to do. kindly return the courtesy.

further, I'm not riled up but your screed indicates you might be.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for writing this up. I just knew they would get all defensive so I didn't even want to bother replying, but I'm very happy about other people chiming in. vegoon btw ❤️

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists.

and that's bad

but it's still not necessary to kick cattle for milk

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young.

they don't have any volition in the matter. they produce milk. period. but they're not constantly pregnant.

[–] Dutczar@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

According to google, they need to birth one calf a year after a 9 month pregnancy, so they are pregnant 3/4 of their adult life, that sounds close enough to constant. Also, did you need to make 5 different comments?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

to be clear, it's not constant.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

Doing so to a creature who can't consent is pretty wack though

it's a veterinary procedure

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy

your characterization is irrelevant to the truth of what I've said.