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What's wrong with bluesky? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 days ago by Stomata@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Seriously i have zero idea what is going on with bluesky. I never used it. Why are people saying it's centralised? I also heard that a lot of people are joining it.

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Let me see the first ten posts in my feed. (I haven't opened today so let's see...)

God saying why is radical left an insult?

Space view with a good picture of Pluto.

God talking about centrists and leftists

More space pictures

Someone talking about a free game on stream

Someone talking about how rpg fans love to insist pokemon isn't rpg

Horror video game protagonist coming across ammo, yeah that isn't ominous.

Some new video games called Anton

We asked A.I. to generate a peak Seahawks game, these were the results.

And

A picture of the helix nebula.

Yup lots of racism and traits.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Are you familiar with what liberal racism looks like?

Anonymously browsing the feed I rapidly came upon these posts:

https://bsky.app/profile/lepapillonblue.bsky.social/post/3lcbh7org5c2c - Russophobia and some other brainworms I don't even want to get into.
Multiple posts by this guy, one of the many lanyard wearing faces of liberal fascism. In this case, an actual functionary for terrorist groups, including Daesh.
https://bsky.app/profile/euromaidanpress.bsky.social/post/3lc7vfobvqz2e - more liberals celebrating fascists, this time Azov members.

Bluesky is known in left circles for censoring Palestinian accounts and allowing liberal Zionism.

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You're I guess looking at a feed of everything there is with no anchor to the correct side of politics? Try that with ActivityPub and just ingest the entire ecosystem with no home instance or blocklist and you'll get lots of this.

But I think you are right that the Bluesky PDS will not refuse to host you for saying things along the lines of "The US should continue to sell all kinds of weapons to Israel", whereas a lot of Mastodon instances might be expected to kick you off for expressing this stubbornly common opinion.

But I'm not sure it's quite fair to expect a public service to share exactly the correct Overton window that one has oneself. That sort of enforcement on Bluesky is meant to be at the level of the custom moderation service/labeler, not at the data storage layer, since users more or less are meant to control that themselves.

And if you pick a good labeler it will enforce that only the correct people are allowed in your view.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

You're I guess looking at a feed of everything there is with no anchor to the correct side of politics? Try that with ActivityPub and just ingest the entire ecosystem with no home instance or blocklist and you'll get lots of this.

I mean, it is trending/rising stuff that popped up organically. And it is all very much liberal. Run of the mill liberal racism we have all seen before, though it is often not recognized as such becauae it is not presented or reacted to as if it is.

Combine this with the censorship of Palestinians and the people who run and fund the platform and you arrive at my conclusion. If Bluesky gets critical mass it will be even worse than Twitter was before Musk bought it.

But I think you are right that the Bluesky PDS will not refuse to host you for saying things along the lines of "The US should continue to sell all kinds of weapons to Israel", whereas a lot of Mastodon instances might be expected to kick you off for expressing this stubbornly common opinion.

Well yes but my examples are a more naked form of racism beyond the ubiquitous support for imperialism - including their supported settler colonial projects - inherent to liberalism.

But I'm not sure it's quite fair to expect a public service to share exactly the correct Overton window that one has oneself.

I don't have an Overton Window. I have simply described the site as what it is.

That sort of enforcement on Bluesky is meant to be at the level of the custom moderation service/labeler, not at the data storage layer, since users more or less are meant to control that themselves.

I mean they ban accounts so regardless of what they say they are in the business of moderation and censorship.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Racism is when criticism of Russian imperialism.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

That post is not a criticism of Russian imperialism.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Somewhat off topic what you're discussing but I've been checking the bsky feed anonymously every day or two and a lot of those recent space pictures are AI. Didn't see those a week ago, seems to be something new.