Image text: @agnieszkasshoes: "Part of what makes small talk so utterly debilitating for many of us who are neurodivergent is that having to smile and lie in answer to questions like, "how are you?" is exhausting to do even once, and society makes us do it countless times a day."
@LuckyHarmsGG: "It's not just the lie, it's the energy it takes to suppress the impulse to answer honestly, analyze whether the other person wants the truth, realize they almost certainly don't, and then have to make the DECISION to lie, every single time. Over and over. Decision fatigue is real"
@agnieszkasshoes: "Yes! The constant calculations are utterly exhausting - and all under the pressure of knowing that if you get it "wrong" you will be judged for it!"
My addition: For me, in addition to this, more specifically it's the energy to pull up that info and analyze how I am. Like I don't know the answer to that question and that's why it's so annoying. Now I need to analyze my day, decide what parts mean what to me and weigh the average basically, and then decide if that's appropriate to share/if the person really wants to hear the truth of that, then pull up my files of pre-prepared phrases for the question that fits most closely with the truth since not answering truthfully is close to impossible for me.
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I’m not neurodivergent, but small talk is fundamentally a conversation with no other purpose than to maintain, build and express social relationships. There’s no substantive information being passed. So I guess it is a concentrated dose of some people’s worst nightmare.
By the way - there’s nothing wrong in a brief truthful answer if you a feeling a bit down, or you pulled a muscle in your neck or whatever
That’s how it should be. Unfortunately, there’s a fair amount of people who take your honesty as a direct affront to them. After all, how do I dare to say I’m not doing so well? At that point, the socially acceptable thing to do is to display some empathy for me, and they don’t like me enough to put that effort! I shouldn’t have strayed away from the script!
The question is if it's important to be socially acceptable. I personally don't think it is. I've stopped holding back anything or "lying" like mentioned in this post, and sure I rub some people the wrong way, but why would I care? I just don't associate with them in that case.
I have the tendency to do the same, but that's because my circumstances allow me to. Your capacity to choose whether or not you're going to interact with someone in the workplace or at school is pretty constrained in a lot of places.
Yeah and they might not directly respond to you negatively in that moment but they will ABSOLUTELY talk shit about you to their friends about how weird you are for "going off about something" or "going on and on about nothing, I was just like wrap it up lol! 🙄" And then you're the weirdo who talks to much and people avoid you and even actively disrespect you
And they will do this in front of you about others so we learn very early on that you have to lie and not speak too much or too long or too passionately because some people are like this and will talk shit about you and you never know who is going to be a real person to you or who is going to be a fake person who will talk about you behind your back so you end up just playing the social protocol game like everyone else but inside you're like "this fucking sucks I hate this stupid fucking Game, No one actually cares about the answer, I wish we could just not talk to anyone unless we actually wanted to"
I’ve never had that happen to me. I’ll cheerfully say ‘feeling a bit rough, how are you? And I’ve never really had people take affront. … that I’ve noticed 🙂
For me, my problem with this approach is first of all I can't cheerfully say feelings a bit rough. That does not compute. But also, in my experience, if I say anything remotely negative that creates social pressure for them to ask for more details. "Aw I'm sorry, what's going on? 🥺"
But while I don't like lying about how I am, I also am not comfortable talking about my personal problems with people I'm not close to. So I would really prefer to not be put in this position in the first place.
Maybe we should consider if it is appropriate for us to know about someone's personal problems before we ask "how are you?"
If the answer is, ehh probably not appropriate, we should refrain from asking that because by doing so we are creating social pressure for the answer to only be positive, whether or not that's true.
I have decided to try and practice saying "hi hope you're having a nice day" instead of how are you to people I'm not close to. I think that reflects what we're really trying to say with the "how are you" in reality - we are wishing the person well.
It's like the Russian formal greeting Здравствуйте (zdrast-vyui'tye) literally translates to "Have health!
I’ve never felt so understood. I’ve contemplated telling people, “sorry that’s too personal of a question“ when asked. It’s painful.
It doesn't, and it doesn't intend to. Small talk is meant to give small doses of information about the other person, which may or may not be used in subsequent interactions. For instance, a brief exchange of comments about the state of the climate is not so much about whether it's raining or not but to gauge the tone of the other person and their facial expressions, from which other information is inferred, correctly or incorrectly.
Which brings us to the next point: small talk sucks for autistic people not only because its utility is concealed to us, but because most allistics are going to misinterpret our nonverbal cues by comparing them to the cues of other allistic people.
Thanks! Your explanation helped a lot!
It made more sense when I started thinking of humans as animals. In that context it's like dogs sniffing butts or ants touching antennae when they meet. I eventually settled on a few generic responses that felt less fake than "fine" (idk why "fine" rankles me so much but "not too bad" doesn't, but eh) but didn't elicit further questions, and that made it slightly easier.
For me, fine would be my preferred generic response to these questions because that's generally how I actually am.
To me, good means actively happy. But generally speaking I'm more neutral. If there's nothing that has made me actively happy at that moment, and I'm also not actively annoyed or upset about something, then I'm just existing, neutral.
But people tend to question you when you do that. "Fine? Not good? What's wrong?🤔🥺" Which is annoying because I thought we were playing the game where you ask a question you don't want the answer to... But they want you to answer in very specific socially acceptable ways and fine is apparently negative to NT.
My favorite response is in Russian. Im Not Russian and don't even know if this is actually culturally accurate but being taught Russian in America we learned: "как дела?" (Kak Dela?- how goes it?) "нормальный" (normal'nyy - Normal¯\_(
~)_/¯)Does "Fine, thanks, and you?" sound negative to native English speakers? That was the standard phrase we were thought since primary school as the standard response to "How are you?", so it's surprising to hear that it's not the standard response (maybe it's a US vs UK thing, since I was taught British English at first). relevant video
My answer in Turkish "Aynı" (the same) when asked by friends and family sounds similar to the Russian answer you mentioned. Also it's more acceptable in informal settings to give an answer like "yuvarlanıp gidiyoruz" (literal translation: we're rolling; actual translation: it's going) or "sürünüyoruz" ("we're crawling", but a more relevant translation would be "struggling").
"Fine, thanks, and you?" Sounds fine (ha) I think but "I'm fine" leaves a lingering doubt like you're holding back from saying something negative for some reason. And heck, maybe I'm the only one who was harassed for saying that, but I get this anxiety now every time I'm inclined to use it that the person will ask me what's wrong that I avoid it to my own annoyance.
I love learning languages, thank you for sharing the Turkish! That's really interesting
The best response to "how are you" is actually "hey". Answer what they mean instead of what they're saying, and do it in a way that asserts your boundary that you don't want to think about who you are. You're not engaging in their fake game, so they can't use the fake game to bully you without seeming rude.
It says ‘we are of the same tribe, we understand the same conventions’, I’m non-threatening
It’s the equivalent of chimpanzees grooming or us British offering to make someone a cup of tea - it’s not because we think the person is thirsty.