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I think we need all support we can get to fight Google on this, so I welcome Brave here actually.

Use this link to avoid going to Twitter:

https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

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[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The chrome javascript engine? V8 you mean? That's used in Node, it basically powers most, if not all, of the modern web lol

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Node is far from the most popular. Majority of websites run on PHP.

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hence the modern. Most modern websites nowadays don't use php anymore, at least for their FE

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Laravel is modern enough. If you're talking bleeding edge web dev, that's actually on elixir with Phoenix

Not sure how you count how "modern" something is considering PHP still has new versions and cut lots of releases

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

People totally still just output html from PHP in modern websites, not everything is react

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good point, I had forgotten node uses v8. It's powering servers that run node, sure. Not every website uses node. Lemmy I think is rust backend and kbin uses PHP.

But I mean browser specific rendering. They all follow ECMAScript standard but there are things outside of it. In the past __proto__, a way to get an object's prototype, only worked in Spidermonkey. Or how the ECMAScript doesn't specific what order the elements in a for...in loop shows up. Today these are little minor things

They aren't particularly important right now (besides hunting weird bugs) because Google follows the standards more or less. But give Google 100% control and you will start seeing dark patterns slip into the javascript itself

[–] nitefox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The FE can, and probably, still uses node

Anyway I agree with the sentiment, I use Firefox myself (actually at work I test just against Firefox lol)